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	<title>Comments on: 11/23: Glenn Beck Reveals The Plan in Open Letter</title>
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		<title>By: Candenri</title>
		<link>http://www.the912project.com/2009/11/23/1123-glenn-beck-reveals-the-plan-in-open-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-484579</link>
		<dc:creator>Candenri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually trying to post on the radio show comment thread that had a more directly related comment on it, but alas, that page does not seem to want to recognized me as logged in.  The poster was saying that they hoped that these conventions would be recorded and available in DVD/blu-ray format so everyone that might not be able to attend could be up to speed.  I second that motion.

Also, there is an idea I would really like to see happen.  I think someone should create some mini-lessons in video form, that are somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes that cover basic topics, such as the American Revolution, The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution,  Economics etc, as a means for the average American to self-educate themselves.  The important thing would be to keep the facts straight and the tone matter-of-fact, as most of the time when people get fired up about these topics they can&#039;t seem to keep their pet opinions out of it, which drives people away from the essentials.  They should also stay short and simple, and just have other detailed lessons available at the users discretion.  So you have an overview of the Constitution, and the three branches and why it is that way, for example, but then have a separate video for each of the branches of government, and perhaps one on the history of the Continental Congress and the lead up to the Constitutional Convention.  Also, a list of self study items, like recommended books on the subject matter would be helpful.  I have a pretty good idea of what I want to see happen and would do it myself, but I don&#039;t have enough of the technical know-how, or the means, to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually trying to post on the radio show comment thread that had a more directly related comment on it, but alas, that page does not seem to want to recognized me as logged in.  The poster was saying that they hoped that these conventions would be recorded and available in DVD/blu-ray format so everyone that might not be able to attend could be up to speed.  I second that motion.</p>
<p>Also, there is an idea I would really like to see happen.  I think someone should create some mini-lessons in video form, that are somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes that cover basic topics, such as the American Revolution, The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution,  Economics etc, as a means for the average American to self-educate themselves.  The important thing would be to keep the facts straight and the tone matter-of-fact, as most of the time when people get fired up about these topics they can&#8217;t seem to keep their pet opinions out of it, which drives people away from the essentials.  They should also stay short and simple, and just have other detailed lessons available at the users discretion.  So you have an overview of the Constitution, and the three branches and why it is that way, for example, but then have a separate video for each of the branches of government, and perhaps one on the history of the Continental Congress and the lead up to the Constitutional Convention.  Also, a list of self study items, like recommended books on the subject matter would be helpful.  I have a pretty good idea of what I want to see happen and would do it myself, but I don&#8217;t have enough of the technical know-how, or the means, to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: eWoody</title>
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		<dc:creator>eWoody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fairly obvious that you have not read any of the Founding Fathers writings other than maybe some of Thomas Paines&#039; late writings.....to understand where he was coming from in his writings, you really need to study him before he came to America.  If you chose to read what the Founding Fathers wrote about their decision making process, there is only one conclusion, America was founded on Biblical Principles....that conclusion is drwan because that is what they say.

You are 100% correct that America was founded as a refuge from a state religion that was used to control them by a heavy handed tyrant. You, I, and even Mr. Beck have the freedom to belong to whichever religious organization we choose. Being founded on Biblical Principles does not mean that we are subject to a state religion.....in fact, if you would take the time to talk with the theologian of your choice, I&#039;m sure you will discover that Christianity is the only religion that truly gives you the freedom to worship as you see fit. 

You will find in research of world religions that there are usually edicts that prevent you from worshiping as you please or even changing to other religions...some at the cost of your life.  The Bible teaches that you are a free moral agent and you chose whether or not to believe....it is your choice....even among denominations. How do you think this would be going for us right now if the Muslims had founded America?

In the context of the battle we are facing in America today, Mr. Beck&#039;s faith is not an issue. When and if he attempts to establish himself or his faith as the state religion...well, that is a metter that we will have to take up at that time. 

Is it you position that Mr. Beck does not have the right to be a Mormon if he so desires? Or is it just that if he so chooses to be a Mormon,that he has no validity in anything else he says?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fairly obvious that you have not read any of the Founding Fathers writings other than maybe some of Thomas Paines&#8217; late writings&#8230;..to understand where he was coming from in his writings, you really need to study him before he came to America.  If you chose to read what the Founding Fathers wrote about their decision making process, there is only one conclusion, America was founded on Biblical Principles&#8230;.that conclusion is drwan because that is what they say.</p>
<p>You are 100% correct that America was founded as a refuge from a state religion that was used to control them by a heavy handed tyrant. You, I, and even Mr. Beck have the freedom to belong to whichever religious organization we choose. Being founded on Biblical Principles does not mean that we are subject to a state religion&#8230;..in fact, if you would take the time to talk with the theologian of your choice, I&#8217;m sure you will discover that Christianity is the only religion that truly gives you the freedom to worship as you see fit. </p>
<p>You will find in research of world religions that there are usually edicts that prevent you from worshiping as you please or even changing to other religions&#8230;some at the cost of your life.  The Bible teaches that you are a free moral agent and you chose whether or not to believe&#8230;.it is your choice&#8230;.even among denominations. How do you think this would be going for us right now if the Muslims had founded America?</p>
<p>In the context of the battle we are facing in America today, Mr. Beck&#8217;s faith is not an issue. When and if he attempts to establish himself or his faith as the state religion&#8230;well, that is a metter that we will have to take up at that time. </p>
<p>Is it you position that Mr. Beck does not have the right to be a Mormon if he so desires? Or is it just that if he so chooses to be a Mormon,that he has no validity in anything else he says?</p>
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		<title>By: wwwexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwwexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck on that line of thought.

Remember where we are; we have walked into the Bizarro World where reason is turned on its head by the guy with the microphone and you know what someone said once about arguing with idiots.

Actually, I don&#039;t know what they said; if I were to buy a book concerning Beck I&#039;d try to find one about how the Ron Paul movement got hijacked by Astroturfers and Mormons.  I&#039;m sure Mao could have taken some lessons from those folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck on that line of thought.</p>
<p>Remember where we are; we have walked into the Bizarro World where reason is turned on its head by the guy with the microphone and you know what someone said once about arguing with idiots.</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t know what they said; if I were to buy a book concerning Beck I&#8217;d try to find one about how the Ron Paul movement got hijacked by Astroturfers and Mormons.  I&#8217;m sure Mao could have taken some lessons from those folks.</p>
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		<title>By: wwwexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwwexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess since Glenn never answered my question, I&#039;ll report on my website that all of his regional events are going to be free.

That ought to help the crowd size quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess since Glenn never answered my question, I&#8217;ll report on my website that all of his regional events are going to be free.</p>
<p>That ought to help the crowd size quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: wwwexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwwexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thor is going to strike you down.

Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thor is going to strike you down.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: wwwexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwwexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the word &quot;God&quot; or the word &quot;Jesus&quot; in the Constitution.

Please CITE THE ARTICLE AND SECTION.

Thank you, now I believe we&#039;ve had enough of your BS.

America is and always WAS INTENDED TO BE a place where people could seek freedom from state religion.  I might think that you&#039;d be a bit sensitive to that with Thanksgiving right around the corner.  

BTW, your boy GLENN BECK is a blaspheming heathen who follows a heretical cult that uses Jesus&#039; name in vain.  Got any thoughts on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the word &#8220;God&#8221; or the word &#8220;Jesus&#8221; in the Constitution.</p>
<p>Please CITE THE ARTICLE AND SECTION.</p>
<p>Thank you, now I believe we&#8217;ve had enough of your BS.</p>
<p>America is and always WAS INTENDED TO BE a place where people could seek freedom from state religion.  I might think that you&#8217;d be a bit sensitive to that with Thanksgiving right around the corner.  </p>
<p>BTW, your boy GLENN BECK is a blaspheming heathen who follows a heretical cult that uses Jesus&#8217; name in vain.  Got any thoughts on that?</p>
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		<title>By: eWoody</title>
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		<dc:creator>eWoody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to wwwexler and jcs:  here are a couple of books you might want to check out :
The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States by Benjamin F. Morris  ......this book was written in the mid-1800s ....just to forwarn you it&#039;s over a 1000 pages and no pictures.... and then the book: What Hath God Wrought!  by Dr. William P. Grady ....please try to get these books and give them an honest read.

You may want to ignore the truth and the facts about our Christian heritage but it is nevertheless, the Truth.  Actually, I feel bad for you and some of the others who post  here because of your unbelief....I have no way of knowing what has happened in your life that has caused this denial of the Truth but it is my prayer that you find the Truth and the peace and joy that comes with it.  

I&#039;m sure you are probably saying out loud right about now, &quot;what peace and joy do you Christians have!&quot;  with the kind of post that I read all of you putting up....well, what you are seeing is a bad example of Christianity....it is the frustration with the evils that come with the corruption of power....and yes, it is the corruption of those of both Parties....corruption is not limited to to just one of the Parties.....and it is not just frustration, it is also a denial of the truth of where the blame really rest.

wwwexler and jcs (and others),  you are seeing a sorry example of blame....&quot;it&#039;s the &#039;they&#039; are doing this or that&#039;....when it is really &quot;us&quot;.....the  problem here is you, me and everyone else who will not look in the mirror to see with whom the blame lies.  We have given up on our personal responsibilities, just wanting the government to do it for us.  Shame on us and may God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to wwwexler and jcs:  here are a couple of books you might want to check out :<br />
The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States by Benjamin F. Morris  &#8230;&#8230;this book was written in the mid-1800s &#8230;.just to forwarn you it&#8217;s over a 1000 pages and no pictures&#8230;. and then the book: What Hath God Wrought!  by Dr. William P. Grady &#8230;.please try to get these books and give them an honest read.</p>
<p>You may want to ignore the truth and the facts about our Christian heritage but it is nevertheless, the Truth.  Actually, I feel bad for you and some of the others who post  here because of your unbelief&#8230;.I have no way of knowing what has happened in your life that has caused this denial of the Truth but it is my prayer that you find the Truth and the peace and joy that comes with it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you are probably saying out loud right about now, &#8220;what peace and joy do you Christians have!&#8221;  with the kind of post that I read all of you putting up&#8230;.well, what you are seeing is a bad example of Christianity&#8230;.it is the frustration with the evils that come with the corruption of power&#8230;.and yes, it is the corruption of those of both Parties&#8230;.corruption is not limited to to just one of the Parties&#8230;..and it is not just frustration, it is also a denial of the truth of where the blame really rest.</p>
<p>wwwexler and jcs (and others),  you are seeing a sorry example of blame&#8230;.&#8221;it&#8217;s the &#8216;they&#8217; are doing this or that&#8217;&#8230;.when it is really &#8220;us&#8221;&#8230;..the  problem here is you, me and everyone else who will not look in the mirror to see with whom the blame lies.  We have given up on our personal responsibilities, just wanting the government to do it for us.  Shame on us and may God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: liberty82</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberty82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wwwexler, Where do you find this fabricated history. The Godless Constitution, The fake history book that does not even contain references to support their argument? Nobody ever talks about the fact that 29 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had seminary degrees. No one ever talks about the fact that the first English bible printed in the United States was printed by the U.S. Congress for use in our schools. No one ever talks about the fact that sessions of Congress were opened with prayers that would last upwards of 3 hours.  It is obvious if you read &quot;Jefferson&#039;s Wall of Separation&quot; letter and documents from other founders, that the intent was to keep the government out of religion, not religion out of government. If we want this country to continue to exist we had better not forget that it was founded on Christian values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwwexler, Where do you find this fabricated history. The Godless Constitution, The fake history book that does not even contain references to support their argument? Nobody ever talks about the fact that 29 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had seminary degrees. No one ever talks about the fact that the first English bible printed in the United States was printed by the U.S. Congress for use in our schools. No one ever talks about the fact that sessions of Congress were opened with prayers that would last upwards of 3 hours.  It is obvious if you read &#8220;Jefferson&#8217;s Wall of Separation&#8221; letter and documents from other founders, that the intent was to keep the government out of religion, not religion out of government. If we want this country to continue to exist we had better not forget that it was founded on Christian values.</p>
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		<title>By: jcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so.  Our Founding Fathers, most of them anyway, believed in a deity, but their religious beliefs were not those of the evangelical movement of today.  And they rejected government involvement in religious affairs - that&#039;s addressed specifically in the Constition.  They had good reason based on their experience with a state sponsored religion in England.  

Thomas Payne said this: 

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.&quot; 

From: 
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so.  Our Founding Fathers, most of them anyway, believed in a deity, but their religious beliefs were not those of the evangelical movement of today.  And they rejected government involvement in religious affairs &#8211; that&#8217;s addressed specifically in the Constition.  They had good reason based on their experience with a state sponsored religion in England.  </p>
<p>Thomas Payne said this: </p>
<p>I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of&#8230;Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.&#8221; </p>
<p>From:<br />
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)</p>
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		<title>By: wwwexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwwexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You posted elsewhere that you thought that the Founders were Christian and the nation was founded on Christian principles.

You are dead wrong on that, the Founders specifically excluded the words &quot;God&quot; and &quot;Jesus&quot; from the Constitution and the First Amendment specifically prohibits the government from becoming involved with religion.

It&#039;s very perplexing to me that you have become aligned with a movement started by a Mormon, who the Founders would have considered to be a heretic.  If Glenn Beck lived in early colonial times he would have been burned for heresy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You posted elsewhere that you thought that the Founders were Christian and the nation was founded on Christian principles.</p>
<p>You are dead wrong on that, the Founders specifically excluded the words &#8220;God&#8221; and &#8220;Jesus&#8221; from the Constitution and the First Amendment specifically prohibits the government from becoming involved with religion.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very perplexing to me that you have become aligned with a movement started by a Mormon, who the Founders would have considered to be a heretic.  If Glenn Beck lived in early colonial times he would have been burned for heresy.</p>
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