7/6 As It’s Heating Up In Honduras, America Says Nothing
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Let's see if this online petition for supporting Honduras works. Here it is: You can see all of the people's comments, too. I was number 1330 I believe. Your supporting this is a vote for Democracy.
<a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi…” target=”_blank”>http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi…
The link works donna
So why is Obama bothering to go to Russia? Why go to any foreign country and try to get them on his side? Your president just sided with a dictator, you realize that, right? The American people will never allow Obama to become their dictator. He should not have thrown Honduras under the bus; we have been trade partners for years. So Obama is becoming our dictator? Looks that way if he is not for democracy.
It never ceases to amaze me how wrong Obama is on so many things. How can he be against liberty?
Hi Glenn and Hi every one on here…. What happen in Honduras it is difficult to understand for most of Americans, coming from South America and knowing how delicate is keeping a democracy over there, I think no one country should say any thing about what happen…. The problem that Central and South America are facing has a name and that name is Hugo Chavez he is using his petrodollar power to shovel his own candidates in many countries there. His lunatic dream to become the Bolivar man in the region make him dangerous for all the nations there. The Hondura's politicians and the people in Honduras do not want an other Chavez in their country and the far left controlling again their life, they use their constitution and their Supreme Court to kick out an other Chavez follower.
And I support them. I'm from Peru and Chavez is doing what ever is in his hands to crack our government there. The last crisis that we face with the Amazon Indians was a perfect example of that… The media here do not make a connection between that problem and Chavez but if you made a little bit of news investigation… and ask the people in Peru about it you will find what is going on in the region…. WE ARE SICK AND TIRE OF CHAVEZ HE MUST GO. HE IS A PROBLEM IN THE REGION AND A PROBLEM TO USA.
Live the government of Honduras along they did the right thing. It is funny how Obama was so quick to make an statement about it … HE WAS DEAD WRONG.
Marie, thank you for your post. I live in Honduras and since the events in Honduras started, I've been trying to pass the truth but with the exception of this forum and Glenn Beck, it has been an uphill climb. I am so glad you posted. Further down the screen, Hondurans and Americans have created an online petition to President Obama to reverse his stand in favor of Zelaya. Please find it below and go to it and see if you'd like to support the democracy of Honduras. There's several thousand signatures right now. If enough people speak up, maybe just maybe more countries will back the new interim govt in Honduras. Costa Rico is now against Zelay; good start.
What most people don't know is Honduras actually enforced the rule of law of its Constitution. It'd be nice if America did the same for a change. Zelaya had illegally ordered a referendum via public polling to run for president again. The Constitution specifically states he can't do this. They had warned him multiple times, so he ordered his govt employees to poll; they refused so he ordered the military; they refused so he fired a General. The Supreme Court and Congress reinstated the general and exiled Zelaya. They could have arrested/jailed him, exiled him and/or remove his citizenship which they did. He is no longer a Honduran national so he can't be president.
The media is spinning this as a military coup which it was not. Many Central American countries use the military for law enforcement. And bullets flying and Zelaya being beaten up didn't happen. He looked pretty good in Washington, didn't he? Honduras is thrilled with his ouster; many of his supporters came from Olancho where he is from and he has always paid them to protest.
I even saw photos on the Huffington Post of Iranian protests and they said it was Honduras. Honduras has a trump card; its sea ports. All goods going in and out of C.A. have to go through Honduras. Now that Obama has again gotten on the wrong side of democracy, the world is following suit. It is business as usual down here, phones, tv, internet, mall shopping, grocery stores.
America needs to do what little Honduras just did: Stand up and be Heard More about Democracy. I applaud this country and am proud to be here. Honduras did not join Chavez in anything; they despise him as his interference has caused mayhem here. I am more than ticked off that Obama just threw Honduras under the bus. Guess he is leaning toward dictatorship after all.
Yeah. About all I can say is … yeah. Dictators have never liked to see other dictators taken out and that for me is proof positive that Obama and his Democratic friends really wish to be dictators, want to kill the US constitution and Democrary, and anyone who fights against them. Disgusting. Note that many dictators in the Middle East were worried when Sadaam the dictator was taken out. There is safety among theives, and Obama is showing us he is a theif. Shame that most Americans dont want to see that.
Thanks for your Post. You are absolutely right a Coup is not the same as enforcing your Constitutional rights quite the opposite! The reaction of the US government and Obama is very telling. Birds of a feather flock together. The Hondurian situation is very similar to what is going on in the States, only you had an ethical Congress willing to stand up for your Constitution and oust a leader who meant harm for your Country, we do not. We have your own elected officials cow towing to a leader who is shredding our Constitution helping in its demise while we the people watch. If only our Congress here could muster up the courage and act in defense of our Constitution like yours, I applaud them.
I wrote my Senators and Congressman and told them the US was on the wrong side of the fence on this one.
Super! We are trying to bombard them with online documents since we can't call from here. There was an article in a Massachusetts paper that sided with Honduras! Massachusetts! Barney Frank's State I believe!
USA need a strong man, not one fool and muslim liberal.
Obama finally needs to get on the right side of this and fast.The deposed El Presidente has on his side the 4 Hitlers and he still try's to invoke the cause of DEMOCRACY as if his wanting to be the latest dictator in the region is cause for celebration.This country is all about freedom, and we have been taking the wrong road as of late but we do have time to put things right.Obama could be a leader,people do follow him but right now he's being led and taking America with him.
Obama is following the Dem play book. He thinks he is the only one who can talk to them and convince them to change their ways, just like if we had talked passively to the Soviet Union we could have a lasting peace. Cuban missile crisis ring a bell? The Dems believe talking nice to criminals will convince them to change their ways actually works, in-spite of the evidence, and hard labor does not. To me, if it keeps them busy, stressed and tired, idle hands of mice and men…
I'll take Reagan's proven hard labor performance over ANY Democrats dis-proven "nice talk" EVERYDAY.
Obama is following the Dem play book. He thinks he is the only one who can talk to them and convince them to change their ways, just like if we had talked passively to the Soviet Union we could have a lasting peace. Cuban missile crisis ring a bell? The Dems believe talking nice to criminals will convince them to change their ways actually works, in-spite of the evidence, and hard labor does not. To me it doesn't matter if it works or not it keeps them busy and tired, idle hands of mice and men…
I'll take Reagan's proven hard labor performance over ANY Democrats dis-proven "nice talk" EVERYDAY.
The president of Honduras is attempting to illegally void the country's constitution.
If B.O., a man who SWORE to protect and defend OUR constitution, is sooooooo concerned about the "rule of law" he should be supporting the people who are concerned with the people adhering to the Honduran constitution.
He is waiting to see how it will work out for Zelaya to decide if he can go the same way
And Hillary is going to meet with Zelaya shortly in Washington probably to figure out what he did wrong so she and Obama can avoid doing the same thing. Gotta talk to those dictators to get better schooled.
B.O.&Co. are well versed in circumventing Constitutions and the like, they will devise a way to restore him to power. It's sad that a country, founded on a Constitution that gives freedom to it's people, would seek to re-seat a president that attempted to break the law to further his power, restricted by it's own constitution!!!
The US and UN should request an impeachment proceeding of Zelaya in lieu of returning him to power. The Constitution of Honduras should be upheld by Zelaya and Micheletti.
Won't happen as long as "Padre Escoto" is president of the UN general assembly. He is among the ALBA nations. Wonder when the US will join the ALBA nations (joke, I think).
I would agree with you on the UN.
So we should not have meddled with the Third Reich?
We should have not made it our business to stop the vicious Empire building process of the Japanese.
If we do not stand up to regimes such as the above mentioned and stop them in the name of the law of God then who will? If we turn a blind eye to these situations to "mind our own business" is that not a crime upon humanity?
Your point is mute and weak at best. I suspect your character follows suit.
This is unacceptable. The Supreme Court and the Legislative Branch of this government determined that the President was acting against the Constitution. So they acted and removed the President. Why are we vocal against this action when we keep our mouth shut about Chavez's take over of Venezuela and its free market society.
Honduras is the "mouse that roared". Here's hoping the rats like Chavez, Ortega, the Castros and others (yes, you know which others) don't quiet the detrermined voice of democracy!
The Obama adminstration has already let it be known where it stands. It seems as though Obama is traveling the world, being mentored by all of it's notorious dictators. I wonder someday, if we will see Obama on the news, firing a rifle into the air from a White House balcony, during a celebration to honor himself. What was the name of that guy again, who use to do that?
There was once a time when the world to the US as an example of freedom and all those who wanted different knew not mess with us. Now America behaves like a hobbled beggar. The silence from our so called leaders screams of impotence and silent agreement. Come 2010 we must pick a side and let out leaders feel our wrath via the voters booth.
Let's see if this online petition for supporting Honduras works. Here it is: You can see all of the people's comments, too. I was number 1330 I believe.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi...
Done
Let's see if this online petition for supporting Honduras works. Here it is:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi...
Even during WWII, there was a consensus among a group that America should not send troops to fight against Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. They wanted to remain isolated and not rid the world of the scourge that was about to consume it. But as history shows, they were removed and those same people enjoyed the freedom that was won. Neville Chamberlain thought he could use diplomacy and that everyone could get along in wonderful harmony, but he discarded the fact that, there are people in this world that do not want peace, and never will!!! Those people want tyranny and will not rest until they bring it to everyone, or die trying. The few want the majority to suffer, while they hold the power over them and enjoy the luxury of doing so. These are the people of the world that need to be regulated in their quest for dominance, if not, people will suffer under their rule.
Good post, Shadrach.
Thanks winecup :~)
Well said, sadly I suspect that Obama and his misled sheep (social program beneficiaries) will repeat history.
Hillary is going to meet with Mel Zelaya in Washington shortly to see if she can help him work things out. We now know this administration is Pro-Dictators and they are blatantly letting us know. I'll bet he comes on Chavez's plane like he did down here yesterday, or tried to do, but Honduras said NO big time.
I am now 100% convinced Obama and friends are aligning themselves with dictators so they can figure out how to do it to all of you in America. Hillary will most probably get a lot of tips. Or maybe they will try to find a "position" for Zelaya within America, like an Ambassador to xxxx Country or something.
I certainly hope that when the presidential elections come around in the USA, that people running against him use the Honduran Events as fodder to expose him as a wannabe dictator.
Hillary is going to meet with Mel Zelaya in Washington shortly to see if she can help him work things out. We now know this administration is Pro-Dictators and they are blatantly letting us know. I'll bet he comes on Chavez's plane like he did down here yesterday, or tried to do, but Honduras said NO big time.
I am not 100% convinced Obama and friends are aligning themselves with dictators so they can figure out how to do it to all of you in America. Hillary will most probably get a lot of tips. Or maybe they will try to find a "position" for Zelaya within America, like an Ambassador to xxxx Country or something.
I certainly hope that when the presidential elections come around in the USA, that people running against him use the Honduran Events as fodder to expose him as a wannabe dictator.
So allowing dictators to oppress their people with government entitlements that will keep them poor and uneducated is none of our business? The fate your talking about is in our back yard too. Perhaps you should also look at where a lot of the drugs are coming from and where the organized drug lords are living. It is our business! WAKE UP AND STAND UP!
We also wrote an online petition to Obama and we have several thousand signatures right now. We all gave our names and a little one liner that he is on the wrong side and that he should promote Democracy. It's still online. Probably won't help, but there are a mix of Honduran, British, and American signatures on it telling him he was dead wrong on this one. We're doing what we can and everything we can to make this administration listen and to stop siding with dictators. Just like you all are having Tea Parties and writing and calling all your reps. One voice can turn into a thousand voices. Hondurans and Americans alike are resourceful and persistent!
Is it something we can look up?
The US is not "saying nothing". the preseident already weighed in on this one in comment. BARRACK SAID TO PUT THIS A$$HAT BACK IN POWER!!!!Man, this is where having no teeth when he talked to every other country really bit him in the butt.
He also accepted this guy into washington as a dignitary and recognized him as the leader of honduras. That not only is NOT not saying something, that is drawing a line, taking a side, and dare i say it????? MEDDLING!!!! O BAMA IS OK WITH MEDDLING IN OTHER COUNTRIES AFFAIRS!!!! POLICY CHANGE!!!! Pack your bags, because we need to go meddle in Iran a little.
the worst part is that this article acts like he was some super popular guy who was wrongfully kicked out of his palace. He has under a 30% support in his country. He is trying to break their constitution. I'm glad all five of the people in the country showed up at the airport to support him …. but the common citizen and theri spirit of law aren't on his side. He is NOT representing his people adn thinks he should just …. stay in power.
NO WONDER OBAMA AND CONGRESS THINK WE SHOULD HELP HIM!!!!
Good.
America is no longer the world police, we actually respect foreign policy and deserve sovereignty of nations.
Countries need to work together; not be isolated; we need to help people in other countries in their plight. Just like Obama does for the black man and ACORN and the UAW. Removing aid to a democratic nation the USA has done business with is mean-spirited, but then we are finding that out about Obama. He does not care about poor people, just wants to "own" them to throw them scraps. That way, they will stay in their place which is Down.
BO has a true dictators mentality.
Well we need to help people but not like Obama helps ACORN. There is a lot of ILLEGAL things going on there. On the Glenn Beck show it was shown that it runs deep and wide! Or I should say high.
No. You don't necessarily have to bring race into every debate. But ACORN is a positive group that organizes will to promote Democracy.
If America is no longer the world police why are we so interested in returning Zelaya to power?
Good One! Giving you a point for that one!
Because he is a man after Obamanation's own heart. It is funny when Iran's election went south BO said they need to work out their own countries problems, but in the case of Honduras what happened to let them work it out?
Excellent point DonnCooper!!!!!
What foreign policy is that which we respect? Apologizing for the US while supporting thugs, dictators, and those who hate freedom is not foreign policy. Zero's ideology is his road map for everything. Whomever is a statist will get his support. Abiding by a constitution is not in his best interest if it doesn't advance his ideology. The law is what he says it is. Hondurans follow their law and all the thugs, including Chairman Maobama, denounce them. Is that leadership or what?
The US and UN should request an impeachment proceeding of Zelaya in lieu of returning him to power. The Constitution of Honduras should be upheld by Zelaya and Micheletti.
The problem is there is no provision for impeachment in the Honduran Constitution. Bet there may be soon though, another article voted on and passed.
It's kinda hard to pay attention to much of anything with King Michael Jackson dying and all.
I mean that is sooooooooo important.
It is sooooooooo over done.
I know, I am more heartbroken than anything to see the daily destruction of great America. I passed angry a long time ago and I cry for her often. Even though I many times feel hopeless and without recourse, I realize that is not true. We can vote out every single incumbent that voted for the bailouts, the Economic Recovery Act, and the Stimulus. That would be a very loud message. For me, 2010 can't happen soon enough especially after just watching my now home country, poverty stricken Honduras, just tell their President he was finished. If they can do this, America can vote everyone out that does not have our best interests at heart. We must stand shoulder-to-shoulder.
I just feel like signing my name: Donna
Islandsox: I agree with you about voting the bums out. I feel the election of 1994 will be a mirror election of what 2010 will be! The democrats swept tha 1992 election, but pushed lousy bills through congress then, and was paid for it by being voted out of office in 1994!
Time to do this to Obama, oh please let it happen and soon
It's sad voters voted in this excuse of a president, that aliens himself more with the radicals like Chavez, and Manuel Zelaya of Honduras, then with democratic countries! Obama is a shamefull example unlike other great presidents in our past!
You got that right. Not sure I can even add anything to your great comment other than how shameful it is that most Americans also do not see the dangers here.
What most people don't know is Honduras actually enforced the rule of law of its Constitution. It'd be nice if America did the same for a change. Zelaya was had illegally ordered a referendum via public polling to run for president again. The Constitution specifically states he can't do this. They had warned him multiple times, so he ordered his govt employees to poll; they refused so he ordered the military; they refused so he fired a General. The Supreme Court and Congress reinstated the general and exiled Zelaya. They could have arrested/jailed him, exiled him and/or remove his citizenship which they did. He is no longer a Honduran national so he can't be president.
The media is spinning this as a military coup which it was not. Many Central American countries use the military for law enforcement. And bullets flying and Zelaya being beaten up didn't happen. He looked pretty good in Washington, didn't he? Honduras is thrilled with his ouster; many of his supporters came from Olancho where he is from and he has always paid them to protest.
I even saw photos on the Huffington Post of Iranian protests and they said it was Honduras. Honduras has a trump card; its sea ports. All goods going in and out of C.A. have to go through Honduras. Now that Obama has again gotten on the wrong side of democracy, the world is following suit. It is business as usual down here, phones, tv, internet, mall shopping, grocery stores.
America needs to do what little Honduras just did: Stand up and be Heard More about Democracy. I applaud this country and am proud to be here. Honduras did not join Chavez in anything; they despise him as his interference has caused mayhem here.
I find the following quote somewhat disturbing. "Honduras joined Mr. Chávez's trade pact, received cut-rate oil from Venezuela, and embarked on an attempt to use referendums to rewrite the constitution that critics say would have let Mr. Zelaya extend his term."
Is Obama giving Zelaya such support because he is looking to do similar things to the US constitution and would look to these other countries for support if something similar were to happen to him? I don't know the answer and am asking this as an honest question.
You bet your A** remember who he appointed to State Dept. who is a Trans Nationalist!!!!!!!!!
I know, I am more heartbroken than anything to see the daily destruction of great America. I passed angry a long time ago and I cry for her often. Even though I many times feel hopeless and without recourse, I realize that is not true. We can vote out every single incumbent that voted for the bailouts, the Economic Recovery Act, and the Stimulus. That would be a very loud message. For me, 2010 can't happen soon enough especially after just watching my now home country, poverty stricken Honduras, just tell their President he was finished. If they can do this, America can vote everyone out that does not have our best interests at heart. We must stand shoulder-to-shoulder.
Yes.
At our tea party, they said a bill was introduced so there would be no more term limits on Barry. I haven't had the time to find it but that is scary.
Don't fret. That bill has been introduced in every new Congress for years. It never goes anywhere.
Birds of a feather… Zeleya, the Castro Brothers, Chavez, Ortega, the mullahs and their stooge Imadinnerjacket and "The One".
You are known by the company you keep and the friends you have.
BHO's 4th of July 'speech'………did anyone else get the impression that he didn't quite have the same PASSION about the history and spirit of the USA as he does when he talks about our impending doom and crisis state when he wants to push thru his govt. , nation saving policies??/
A little off subject butt… HAs anyone else been watching the news conference in Russia? I feel very scared at the outcome, particulary that it seems to be a little quick and a little pre-planned.
It gives me the feeling that they had all of this completed and were just smoking and joking in the back room waiting for the time to release it all to us.
Is BHO maybe a little to cozy with his Russsian counter part what else do we not know about him
im getting the same feeling. You cant tell me that this 1 term senator (who was absent due to campaigning for half his term!) goes to Russia and less then a day later, theres a deal struck!
so they figured this all out and knew what they were going to do but obummer wanted to take the family to russia so off they go — what did THIS trip cost?
One good thing — at least Michele wont have to go shopping since Russia doesnt have much to buy!
Have you ever noticed how poorly Obama speaks without teleprompters? He was again stumbling and ah'ing and got off track. He is so out of his league; can you believe he told Putin to "remember the Cold War had ended." Nothing like having the word NAIVE written on his forehead.
Ъ.Ф. is in ЯЦSSIД FОЯ A MÐÐTIИG ЩITH THРКЯÐMLIИ!! I HФPÐ HÐ DФÐSИ'T SCЯÐЩ IT ЦP!!
Ha! Define screw it up.
By doing the very things he is doing right now. And the proverbial "reset" button!! And this: Russia will also allow 4,500 flights a year carrying U.S. troops and weapons to the war in Afghanistan to transit its vast territory "free" of charge, a move hailed by the U.S. side as showing Moscow's willingness to help in the war on the Taliban.
Other deals covered military cooperation, the creation of a new joint government commission and new "investment", according to texts released by officials.
He's meeting the Pope too. Hope he don't screw that up.
If Obama is the antichrist the Pope should burst into flames!
I laughed until I hurt on that one, oh that was funny!!!!
I guess we will know then for sure. We are slow, very slow…..
I'd like to see that!
shadrach, you are so right , but my feeling is he will screw up big time, just like everything else he does.
So, does he really think Russia is going to reduce their nuclear power? He will do it to us and Russiawill not. Medvedev will know he is a sucker and will fall for anything. How embarrassing, how frightening. He is
going to place the US on our knees. By the way, where do you get those symbols. At first it looks like
Russian , but if you really look you can read it.
I ran a search on the Russian Alphabet and copied and pasted the letters. I done one once before, it was kinda fun. BTW, I agree with you sentiments on B.O. and his trip to the Kremlin!!
He was just there so they could discuss their one world agenda. Didn't you notice they both used the same words to talk about how they would make things better?
My wife was talking about how they were both dressed alike, the red "power tie"!!! I thought B.O. would be getting pointers from both Medvedev and Putin.
Well done Shadrach, I didn't know I could read Russian! Of course he will screw it up!
That took a while to type, I would imagine.
Thinking in English and typing in Russian is more difficult that one would imagine LOL!!! (LMBO)
Boy, I really miss the policies of the good old days. (6 months ago!)
You don't know what you've got until it's gone. Ahh….the old days!
That seems like forever ago!!! :~(
Words of support are very powerful. Silence is deafening. Once again, our president is showing his colors. Loud and clear.
Barak, the Beloved Leader, Obama is on the air waves on a daily basis, What was his message on the Nation's birthday? Nada.
Usually this blowhard is all over tv spouting a bunch of meaningless words……but when its something like this or when the thugs in Iran were slaughtering their own citizens all we can seem to get is a one sentence written statement.
Of course, Obama does nohing about Honduras. He did nothing to support the protestors in Iran. The manis weak. He certainly would not want to offend one of his new found friends.
We don't really want Obama doing anything in Honduras since he has aligned with Chavez and Ortega in calling for the return of Zelaya. Zelaya was trying to highjack the Honduran constitution and become a dictator like Chavez.
It's nice to see an army stand up and protect a country's constitution. Too bad it's not happening here.
Amen to that; he's done enough damage since he has sided with dictators and not for democracy. He is making it perfectly clear to all Americans, he is NOT pro-democracy. Wake up America, you're headed for more trouble; vote them all out in 2010. If Honduras can throw their president out, you can throw out the bums who voted for all of the bills that are taking your money and your kids' money.
This is what happens when America loses it's moral footing. You can't elect a Marxist, and expect the world to respect you any longer. As much as the Europeans seem to love to restrict freedom, at the end of the day, none of them will respect us if we do. Obama is making the US the laughing stock.
BHO and his trolls ARE saying something. NOBODY in the USA has heard it because they think differently than BHO. He has said the man who was trying to break that countries constitution was legal and he should be put back in power. he has said unless he is we will no longer help the country. he is being a CHICAGO BULLY
DUH
God save Us ALL
I think you guys need to familiarize yourself a little more with the Founding Fathers' view on foreign policy. Are we not trying to return to the original values that our country had?
My god, what liberal boot camp did you attend? Open your eyes……..
Keep in mind that revisionist history is not history.
I think you need to get your head out of fantasy land.
We wouldn't BE a country if France hadn't "meddled.
We wouldn't BE a country if France hadn't "meddled".
Seems like the simple thing to do is the honduran military gives one warning, then stinger missle the plane if they do not comply! Crisis over!
Zelaya is coming to Washington in the coming days?!! He is crying on Obama's shoulders? Claiming if we don't do something it will be death to democracy in the US. What is wrong with this picture. Why is it they won't let him land in Honduras but the worst of the snakes come here to spout their venom!
These are the same people that were wanting B.O. to win the election!! They knew they would have a comrade in D.C. and he would listen to their crying!! Around the world, despots were cheering him on(maybe even making donations?) he is their kind of U.S. President!! And in their view, doing a bang up job right now!! Unless some of the Demo's get off the Kool-Aid, we as Americans, will fall right into their hands!!!
Yes, you are right. I don't know how I forgot that. I even thought it was crazy at the time. I guess I was relating it to their hate for Bush and brushed it off. You are so very right, it is all coming together now. The picture is so big it boggles the mind!
He's already been in the US. The plane he was on yesterday took off from Dulles! Obama agreed with Zelaya, Chavez, and Castro last week!
Well, the article said he is coming back!!!!!!!! Crazy huh? He is hoping We can help negociate a settlement I guess. Hmm, what do you think?
Well, the article said he is coming back!!!!!!!! Crazy huh? He is hoping We can help negotiate a settlement I guess. Hmm, what do you think?
Dictators have like minds.
Thought about moving to Bay Islands about 5 years ago. I wished I was there.
Guess what? Costa Rico told him never to come back. Yesterday after trying to land in Honduras on a Venezuelan jet and the military blocked the runway, he flew to Nicaguara. But for some reason, they asked him to leave. So he is in El Salvador today. Hmmmmm. List of friends dwindling there Mel?
Costa Rico knows a dictator when they see one.
Well, perhaps Zelaya sees what we see – that Obama hates Democracy as well and wishes to be a socialist dictator. That means that he and Obama will bait the clueless with the word Democracy to get their aid and then at then last minute, bait and switch and out comes the dictatorship.
He'll probably get a key to the city from the big zero. We will throw in a billion or so to stimulate his campaign to spread the wealth, to win support (buy some military backing) so he can retake the country.
I think this "turmoil" is intended to take our eyes off what Obama is doing to this country. Remember that we are being fed a steady diet of propaganda by the left. The objective is death of democracy in the Americas.
No country has ever escaped an oppressive government without outside help. What type of "history" are colleges teaching these days for Gods sake?
BHO supports banana republic leaders, sides with them, while lip servicing the people of Iran. Way to go, Chiquita Banana Obama!
Ha, so to the point.
Why..so we have somewhere to move when ours is given away?
We need to worry about our own affairs, before dictating to the rest of the world, proper etiquette for a free world.
No, we need to fight for freedom EVERYWHERE. Bowing to thugs just makes them bolder. Haven't we learned that yet??
I too feel that we should speakup, the problem is Obamanation spoke in the begining and sided with Chavez
So allowing dictators to oppress their people with government entitlements that will keep the poor and un educated is none of our business? The fate your talking about is in our back yard too. Perhaps you should also look at where a lot of the drugs are coming from and where the organized drug lords are living. It is our business! WAKE UPAND STAND UP!
Yes, we do need to speak up. There is a constitutional government being threatened by its neighbor countries with invasion! We need to tell Ortaga and Chavez to back off!! We need to defend freedom around the world.
News flash~
We don't have to be the worlds police anymore…
Obama looks like the moron he is, on the world stage, let alone at home.
Evil unopposed will prevail.
But, apparently, we are. So we need to make sure we are on the right side when our elected officials speak out.
Exactly my point winecup…
We NEED to be sure we are on the right side when we DO speak up.
Not this senseless prattle this administration spouts off to the rest of the world.
Bowing to the middle east, shaking hands and smiling with tyrannicl dictators and cowtowing the Russians is NOT what we need to be showing the world.
Whether it be in support of "freedom" or not.
Exactly my point winecup…
We NEED to be sure we are on the right side when we DO speak up.
Not this senseless prattle this administration spouts off to the rest of the world.
Bowing to the middle east, shaking hands and smiling with tyrannical dictators and cow towing the Russians is NOT what we need to be showing the world.
Whether it be in support of "freedom" or not.
Are we going to wait until it comes knocking on our back door again? Or is Obama holding the door open?
Yeah. For years we have heard that Bush killed relationships. No. Bush had great relations with the good people – the UK, Australia, Israel, Eastern Europe, and had difficult relations with dictators. Obama has no more world friends than Bush and likely less. While Obama has sought to placate Iran and N, Korea it did not work clearly, At the same time he has made our relations worse with UK and Israel and I dont think the man has even discorvered Australia yet. So, so much for the Democrat lies that they are far better at diplomacy than anyone else. Of course Newsweek and the media will not figure that out, and the very left leaning Nobel Prize group will likely give him a Nobel peace prize as they did Carter since truth has no meaning to the left.
Be nice if we could do what Honduras did………
They were doing what they were mandated to do. The guy was voted OUT of office and didn't want to go. I hope we NEVER have to do that. That has never been the case here! I think we should be giving a very vocal support out to Honduras. NOT any way condoning Zelaya.
I totally agree but Obamanation said that their military should reinstate Zelaya immediately
I understand your frustration, Pirate, but I pray that we can get rid of our dictator without doing any further damage to our republic.
You can start with the 2010 elections and anyone who supported all the bailouts, stimulus, omnij spending, budget, UAW and soon to be energy tax and the "shared responsibility" tax on health care ($1,000 for everyone who does NOT take it, boot them all out! Out, out, out! We'll all feel better voting in new and different people.
QUOTE: He said he would likely return to Washington in the coming days to seek a solution to the crisis.
"This is a barbarity what is happening in Honduras," he said, calling on President Barack Obama to take more drastic measures against the interim government, including economic measures, to show that the coup couldn't stand. "Otherwise, it's the death of democracy in the Americas," he said.
It seems Obama's fellow dictators know him more than the people of USA. Notice he said "take more drastic measures". Our dictator is being quiet because he doesn't want us to know what he's doing until it's too late.
It doesn't surprise me that comrade Obama hasn't pushed to support their constitution. Just look what he's doing to ours!
http://www.whywevoted.com
Obamanation was secretly appaulding Zelaya
Frankly I don't give a damn about Honduras. If you have anyone serving in Afghanistan –or even if you don't–you need to contact your representative, senators and the WH RIGHT NOW.
From a McClatchy news service story:
"Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the new top commander of US forces in Afghanistan, was poised to issue a directive late last week instructing US troops to avoid air attacks against Taliban insurgents in scenarios in which civilians could be placed at grave risk. McClatchy news service reported July 1 that the directive was to take effect on July 2. It calls on US troops to assume that Afghan civilians are present in a town or village where the Taliban has taken refuge and to refrain from calling in air strikes or commencing a firefight if there is any doubt about the presence of civilians. "We cannot keep going down the path of putting civilians at risk," Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, US Forces-Afghanistan spokesman, told the news service. He added, "People want to see changes in behavior."
Folks, translated this means that the Obama administration is going to try to fight a war as though it's a criminal case. All this does is aid and abet the Taliban and Al Qaeda. All this does is provide a safe haven for the them to plot more road side bombings and rpg attacks against our guys. This is as crazy as Johnson & MacNamara picking out bombing targets in Vietnam, or putting Marines in Lebanon without ammunition.
Please contact your reps now. Our guys' lives are on the line.
You can't fight a war and be politically correct at the same time. Isn't the military sworn to defend the constitution not the administration? If so I think they would be within their rights to refuse this order. There is a difference between giving you life for you country and throwing your life away for a bunch of lawyers. I will write my reps today.
Thank you Boojer. These young men and women are all our kids, and we need to protect them just as surely as we would our own. My son is not currently in Afghanistan but I well remember the sleepless nights and relentless worry I had when he was in Iraq, and I can't imagine what it must be like for the parents of the troops currently in either country. At least we could count on Bush not recklessly endangering their lives for fear of offending someone. My state has lost 5 during the last 4 weeks. I've remarked on this before; the main stream news media isn't publicizing body counts now (just the local newspapers). If you go on the Patriot Guard page you'll see there are lots of service members dying in Afghanistan but we're not being told about it by the national media. The Obama administration will do everything they can to sweep this under the rug. We HAVE to stay on top of this, or I fear the outcome will be as bad as Vietnam. And yes you're correct, the military is sworn to defend the constitution not the administration.
Vietnam II
I think we should care about Honduras. It's in our back yard. Zelaya and all his central America backers are dictators.
As far as Afghanistan is concerned, we can not fight a limited war. Washington is calling this an offensive. Look up the definition of offensive. This is no game or contest here. This sounds like LBJ. I’m sorry for the negative attitude. God bless these young men serving their country. But I could not send my children to Afghanistan for this President.
When I said I didn't care about Honduras what I should have said was the more important thing to care about right now is what the administration is doing that will sabotage our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and endanger the troops even more than they already are. The only way we can prevent Washington from fighting a limited war is if we speak up. And while I can appreciate your sentiments of not allowing your children to be sent to Afghanistan for BHO, there are thousands of us who don't have that choice; our sons and daughters are already in uniform and have to follow BHO's orders. I'm not trying to be a sarcastic butt so please don't take that the wrong way.
we dont put civiliians in danger, the terrorist factions do. They do it when they choose to place their operations in the middle of civilians
I live here in Honduras. Thanks for the no support as we are facing a dictatorship and invasion from Chavez. Thanks a lot. I'm up on every single detail but I won't bother you with such nonsense.
What is happening RIGHT NOW?? What about the threat from Chavez? The US would be neutural of course. A guess. What is expected?
If you read my reply that I made shortly after the original post, you’ll see that I acknowledged my poor wording in the original. To restate my main point: we are fighting a war in Afghanistan (not a criminal investigation) and have currently launched a major offensive against the Taliban. Yet the administration has apparently decided to impose a big restriction on the rules of engagement which basically prevents any air strikes against the Taliban if there is a civilian anywhere nearby. I’m certainly not condoning targeting civilians, but our forces have never intentionally targeted civilians and in fact do everything humanly possible to lessen civilian casualties. In a tiny headline on their website CNN first says that 4 troops have been killed, but when you click the link, the story says it’s 6. Either way, would those troops still be alive if this restriction was not in place?
Neither Obama, Hilary CLinton nor many of those war experts who say the enemy must be properly identified before action has ever been in a real war. I feel so sorry for Military and even US Police who get their hands tied by people who are clueless telling them they should be mind readers about who are the real criminals. For those who have not been in the military, at least play a video game with realistic street fighting. And then you will see that it is extremely hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys and that friendly fire happens. While our military and police try their best, only someone who has no clue would punish them for errors that are just going to happen when there is a war – particularly when Muslims like to stage war from the buildings of private citizens.
This morning on the fox ticker had that a gitmo detainee that Barry released has already re-joined the terror group. That clearly is blood on your hands Barry – no blaming Bush for what happens with any of that.
We cannot be limited in our "caring." I care about what happens in Honduras for personal reasons of association. We should all care about Honduras because their people are no less human than ours, and more to the point, the administration's response appears complicit with the "wrong side" of morality and the security of the USA.
That said, I care very much about your point regarding the directive. I am a little confused, though, as to whether the directive was issued or not? You said McChrystal was "poised to issue." Sorry for my ignorance here. I know military "brass" have to play politics, but the directive implies that American servicemen don't care what they are shooting at. I'd have to read the directive myself, but it sounds like our own general is saying that our troops have been indiscriminate murderers, when in reality, we know that not to be so, and we know that war is hell and civilians very often are not what they appear, or are being "used," coerced, blackmailed, etc. It also implies that no intelligence has been gathered prior to contacts, which I find hard to believe. This is playing politics with our troops.
Its already been said, but I will say it again. This is turning into another Vietnam. The politicians think they can run a war. If Obama and Karzai(SP) won't let the Army fight to win this war then we need to withdraw.
Yes, bring them home. I expect we will see the democrats out in full force at our next tea party across the street protesting the war!
Every time you think you have heard the most ridiculous thing, they come up with a better one. The Taliban are using civilians as cover, and now they are being encouraged to do so, by being told that no harm will come to them. If I was a Taliban fighter, I'd be hanging out with civilians, while killing Americans and their allys.
Obama did say something….4 days ago,he gave Honduras 3 days to restore their ousted leader……..but like the school yard bully,when their idle threats are ingored,they dont know what to do.
Cheap talk by a cheap man. His word means nothing. Chavez, Ortega and Castro know this also.
Let me guess..and on the 3rd day…he said it again.
He'll ask the UN (Useless Nations). Maybe Jimmy Carter can help him, too.
Why should our government respond. They have already exposed their progressive aka socialistic agenda by denouncing the ouster of expresident Zelaya. Our government wants Zelaya back in power. I will bet that BHO and the congress will make a move to eliminate term limits on the president and will suspend voting in 2010. The excuse will be " we are just to important in stopping global warming and fixing the economy" The lemmings in this country will buy it too.
There is already a bill in the works ( HJ Res 5) which is to abolishe the 22nd ammendment. The one limiting term limits. We ahve to keep an eye on this guy! The fact that he is not supporting people who are trying to maintain or establish democracys (Iran, and Hondurus) makes me think he will try to establishe his own dictatorship. People need to wake up and smell the socialism!!!!
Just for further clarification, Sponsor: Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] (introduced 1/6/2009) Cosponsors (None) This is from cong. record re hjr 5. We need to be on our reps and sens to quash this proposed amendment.
I don't think so. People are getting a little fed up with Obama's false promises and power-grabs. When our energy bills double, the "value-added tax" increases the price of everything in order to pay for "free" healthcare. Health rationing begins, unemployment goes over 15%, and not to mention all the massive inflation caused by the trillions of dollars we printed.
Something tells me "President for life Obama" is going to be a tough sell.
It wont be a sell. It will be an order.
me again. When I see that Moron on MSNBC who got willies up his leg when the mesiah was elected get fed up then I will be convinced that people are getting fed up. People are like lemmings and the press and politicians know it.
Where is our world leader Barak Messiah Obama?
I guess he is waiting to make sure he lines up with Fidel and Chavez first before he weighs in…
The man has NO IDEA. I wouldn't be suprised to see him give Russia the keys to our nukes in consilliation with a deep knee bend apology…
GET THIS DING DONG OUT OF OFFICE BEFORE WE ARE ALL DEAD!!!
Maybe he's just waiting to see which direction he can throw his "sympathy" toward.,Like the cap with both the Yankees and Mets logos, he can turn it to root for whichever team seems to be winning.
As I"ve said before BHO is all talk and no action. He expects to talk and someone else will do all the work example the Pres.budget and all the framework he is suppose to do. Iran,hondours all need work by him. No amount of talk will work. He is in Russia today talking about disarming smart talk as we have a major war with radical islam who are looking for nukes. To get this from the Russians we have to sell out our friends in eastern europe-no missel system for self defense. Time will tell if he will sell eastern Europe out. Anybody want to bet on the outcome?
What do you expect? Maybe he's waiting for his Teleprompter to tell him what to do.
BH0 can let the rest of the CO0C team (Chavez,Ortega,0bama,Castro) speak on the issue. After all, he has the same position as the other banana republic dictators. BH0 must be so annoyed that all this international stuff is interfering with his socialist agenda.
I think he enjoys the diversion. The apparent agenda (death of democracy in the Americas) will be implemented regardless of the outcome.
God willing, they will all hang together.
actually Jerseygal,I dont think Obama minds all this international turmoil……when he is leader of the new world order he will straighten them all out.
BO is working to turn the US into a banna republic faster than we than we know. Just think what an emerging market the US will be someday!
all this trouble, just because he thought his agenda was more important than the constitution of the country…..sound familiar to anyone
Sounds like every President since FDR with the notable exception to Ronald Reagan.
Sounds like every President since FDR with the notable exception of Ronald Reagan.
All the same, eh Morgue. Obama's no different, no worse. I guess you must also believe that if one day has a temperature of 30 degrees and another has minus 30 degrees, they're both just cold days.
I understand your concerns. Sorry. This guy is no leader. The lives of our sons and daughters are being put in serious danger. Who are the "people" that want to see changes in behavior also. Where are the protestors and media? Where is BO? Let them put their sons and daughters on the line.
Exactly!! Johnson and McNamara calling the shots!!
That should make everyone puke. WWBD? Never thought I would care again. Sure do. What would Bush do?
Ah, but Honduras has a trump card; its sea ports. All of Central America needs Honduras. Guess Chavez and Obama didn't do their research on Honduras' trump card. Let's see Guatemala,Nicaguara and others try to get their rotting produce out of the country. Ha. Good luck. Bet the tide will turn when they realize Honduras needs to be their friend.
You know what? It's obvious Obama is a wannabe dictator and is working toward that. Why else would he embrace dictators?
I spell evil O-B-A-M-A!
It is one of those words that can be spelled different ways. s-a-t-a-n see it is endless.
"I feel your pain" Bill Clinton would be a good choice.
Don't get me wrong, Obama is the most dangerous Marxist President since Woodrow Wilson, but this day has been coming for at least a century.
We've been slowly bleeding our freedoms since the 1900s, and now we're hemorrhaging as the last of our freedoms are being taken and our Federal Government has grown bold and arrogant, closer to their ultimate goal of total power than ever.
Even if we stop Healthcare and Cap-n-Tax (and I'm not positive we can), this will only hold back the "tide" for a few years, maybe if we can hold out till 2012 someone like Sarah Palin can move back the clock the way Reagan did, but after 4-8 years, the people will lower their guard again, and the flood will return.
We have to stop Progressivism by taking back the institutions that they’ve corrupted: our schools, the media, the entertainment industry. The fight is not to the strong or the swift, but to those that can endure.
Don't get me wrong, Obama is the most dangerous Marxist President since Woodrow Wilson, but this day has been coming for at least a century.
We've been slowly bleeding our freedoms since the 1900s, and now we're hemorrhaging as the last of our freedoms are being taken and our Federal Government has grown bold and arrogant, closer to their ultimate goal of total power than ever.
Even if we stop Healthcare and Cap-n-Tax (and I'm not positive we can), this will only hold back the "tide" for a few years, maybe if we can hold out till 2012 someone like Sarah Palin can move back the clock the way Reagan did, but after 4-8 years, the people will lower their guard again, and the flood will return.
We have to stop Progressivism by taking back the institutions that they’ve corrupted: our schools, the media, the entertainment industry. The fight is not go to the strong or the swift, but to those that can endure.
You are so right about the war. I hope we don't have a Johnson-Obama going on. Is he too young to remember. Maybe he should do some reading. Put down the darn book he got from Chavez…
I know, it was still an ouch with the I don't give a damn thing. That was an ouch. And Afghanistan is more important than Honduras; I fully understand that.
I'm surprised that people are surprised that Obama believes a war should be fought like a law enforcement issue. The Gitmo detainee thing was the first eye-opener; lets bring them all into the US courts and try them as burglars (basically). My heart says our troop loss will be even greater, but Obama will blame Bush again; it's a given.
How right you are! So many names, so little time.
ACORN is not "positive". It is a money laundering organization. You claim to be conservative, and then you make statements like this, Kontora. ACORN is FAR from conservative. They have a radical agenda, and it served Obama well during the election.
Why not? Are they ashamed they are black people? ACORN is fraudulent, period. 13 States are investigating them, guess those 13 states are racist? Yeh, right. You really think that intimidating people to get their own way is American?
I honestly didn't notice that?? Just for being polite *~* ??
Chavez is rattling noise about overtaking Honduras unless his "friend" is reinstated. We all know what a blow-hard Chavez is. The Honduran Army is quite large and Chavez knows it. Honduras does buy petroleum from Venezuela, but they buy it from others as well. Besides, we know Chavez won't turn down a penny in personal wealth from the country's oil. Our electric company which runs off of diesel, has already made other arrangements just in case.
I don't think you're being conservative. Refer back to civil liberties and right to vote.
I think it's a boneheaded move, quite frankly. However, we know where Nobamessiah's allegiances lie and it's not with freedom or democracy. Zelaya will probably be a guest of honor in OUR house in DC, like Arafat (13 times!) during the Klintonista administration.
Chavez tells Honduras big trouble if they don't let Zelaya back! This is a big deal. Obama should not be siding with them. How do you spell EVIL? CHAVEZ. Venezuelans should of done what Hondurans are trying to do.
Shad, you got a thumbs down for saying thank you, so I have given you and everyone who got a negative vote on this thread a thumbs up just because I can, just as others can give a thumbs down just because they can. Silly tit-for-tat, but a thumbs down for a "thank you" is just silly.
What is the chance of Chaves and others going to war for that control? I can't get my arms around why Obama is embracing these thugs. Except that he always embraced low life scum bags? Perhaps wants to do what Bush didn't do? Wants to try something different, see if it works? Throws a little of everything at the wall to see what sticks? Basically our country has lost it's moral footing so leadership is a bit lost right now. How long have you been out of the country? Does Honduras have a strong moral fiber?