5/20/09: National Healthcare – How To Pay For It, What To Tax
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The cost of medications to taxpayers is a complete ripoff. The markup from the pharmaceutical companies to the local drugstores is obscene. You 912er's would be appalled at the amount of money Medicare pays to the various drugstore chains for people on Medicaid/Medicare. The markup is sometimes 30,000% on some drugs.
Another things we 912'ers can do is take care of ourselves physically. That means eating healthy, working out, staying out of fast food and restaurants, etc. You really are what you eat. I'm not saying that that solves the healthcare problem but it can't hurt. I've not been a patient in a hospital in 30 years and that was from a car accident, not illness. In fact I've never been hospitalized for any major illness in my life.
Americans are obese. I see them at the beach every day when I'm out surfing. They gobble up a bag of chips, swished down by a 12 or 16 oz syrupy coke and then come home to a frozen dinner full of preservatives.
I'm not saying that obesity is a cause of our healthcare costs, but it's part of it.
I also don't want government healthcare ,however I do feel that some people take advantage of our great healthcare in this country.I work in a hospital and have seen 90 year olds put on a vent for weeks and sometimes months simply because family members don't want to let go "I understand " the hospital eventually ends up footin the bill BUT if you tell them" family" that after a certain time they'll have to pay believe me they let go real quick.I do think that our healthcare is the best in the world however some of these situations should not be aloud.
They won't need a tax for long anyways. They will just put a chip in our brain making us eat and think how they want us to, and then when they detect(in the grid) that someone is ill, DELETE!
They'll tax breathing!
Sure they will, you breath out CO2- global warming you know. I wonder if Al Gore is going to show us how to save the planet by stopping breathing first…..
Once they have taxed everything into oblivion and put every American out of work with the exception of federal government employees, they will deciede to let or in the extreme, kill the obese, old, disabled, mentally disabled then those with genetic markers that say they will get sick in old age. Walah, the "useless" eaters are taken care of and the cost of health care become non-existant. The social darwinist will be triumphant, Hitler and Margeret Sanger's work will be complete, just gotta take care of those "pesky" Jews!
I have recently thanked my liberal children and friends for voting for my early death. They all think I am one shy of a six pack and out of touch with everything, but I rail on. I am now on SS and medicare. I am healthy now but if I get anything major wrong with me and need anything that cost alot this adminstration is going to expend me. I am not paying into these programs anymore so now I am useless to this society. Gone, cuput, solient green. Have a nise day folks.
From what I've seen so far, it's going to be another case of raising taxes by burdening employers with mandates, and claiming that such mandates aren't taxes, just as they claimed that giving checks to people, who don't pay taxes are tax cuts, not welfare.
I find it totally amazing that, when the architect of the Canadian health care system, the Canadian supreme court, and most of even some of the most liberal politicians where health care is now "free" now admit that their systems have been terrible failures and are trying to find politically palatable ways to get out of them, the political leaders of this country are even considering imposing a government imposed health care system.
The fact is that, at least up until they passed the last budgets and stimulus packages, over 50 cents of every dollar spend by the federal government was spent on health care and that doesn't even begin to include the money spent by the states and local jurisdictions.
The problem with health care being too expensive isn't that there's too little government. It's that there's too much government when there shouldn't be any government involvement whatsoever.
According to the U.S. Constitution, the federal government is specifically assigned certain specific tasks, and the 10th amendment clearly states that, if the federal government isn't specificially authorized to do something, they must leave it up to the states or to the people.
Because of the government ignoring this amendment, the government performs those required functions, beginning with national defense, more poorly and I can't think of one thing that government at any level puts its finger into that it hasn't made worse, not better.
The REAL point is NOT what type of national health care plan we should have, but WHETHER OR NOT we have any such plan at all!!
I have written my Representative and Senators about this, but it has fallen on deaf ears. I will however keep writing and calling. Health care is not a right!! It exists nowhere in the Constitution. It will however be a huge drain in our national budget and our personal budgets.
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Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly.
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They're not posting my original socialized medicine stance. "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly."
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The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly. Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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They're not posting my original socialized medicine stance. The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly. Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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They're not posting my original comment. "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly." The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly. Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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They're not posting my original socialized medicine stance. "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly." The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly.
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They're not posting my original socialized medicine stance. "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly." The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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They're not posting my original socialized medicine stance. "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly." The point I'm trying to make is that specialist nurses take a big risk fiscaly, physicly and proffesionaly. Cut our wages, and we'll go away.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do it. All of you people who want socialized medicine, if you want a run-of-the-mill nurse caring for you when you are having a stroke: you get what you pay for. I'll be working in a nursing home giving an old lady a shower (safe job).
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If you get burned, stabbed or fall out of a tree, I know what to do. If you have a heart attack, I know what to do. If you have a baby in your pants on the way to the hospital; been there, done that, know what to do. If we go to socialized medicine, specialist wages are going to go away. If I'm not getting extra compensation to go above and beyond the scope of a normal nurse and put my self in jeapordy (physical as well as professional, think ER violence and tort issues),
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If you get burned, stabbed or fall out of a tree, I know what to do. If you have a heart attack, I know what to do. If you have a baby in your pants on the way to the hospital; been there, done that, know what to do. If we go to socialized medicine, specialist wages are going to go away. If I'm not getting extra compensation to go above and beyond the scope of a normal nurse and put my self in jeapordy (physical as well as professional, think ER violence and tort issues), I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do it. All of you people who want socialized medicine, if you want a run-of-the-mill nurse caring for you when you are having a stroke: you get what you pay for. I'll be working in a nursing home giving an old lady a shower (safe job).
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I'm an Emergency Room nurse and I'm about to complete my nurse practitioner studies. I've dedicated my career to Emergency because I love and frankly, it pays damn good. I make more than most nurse and I don't appologive for it. These are my credentials : RN, BLS, ACLS, ABLS, NRP, ENPC, PALS & TNCC. Who paid for all of these certifications to allow me to be a fuly functional ER nurse? Me. I took the classes and paid for them with my own money. Most of these credentials have to be recertified every two years. That means about $400 for every certification.
This will be paid for via alcohol tax and another cigarette tax. They will also be taxing your current healthcare benefits. There will be no congressional, this debate will revolve around how can they pull this off. The debt will be 2 trillion dollars. We will not see any return for 10 years. FACTS
I'm an Emergency Room nurse and I'm about to complete my nurse practitioner studies. I've dedicated my career to Emergency because I love and frankly, it pays damn good. I make more than most nurse and I don't appologive for it. If you get burned, stabbed or fall out of a tree, I know what to do. If you have a heart attack, I know what to do. If you have a baby in your pants on the way to the hospital; been there, done that, know what to do. If we go to socialized medicine, specialist wages are going to go away. If I'm not getting extra compensation to go above and beyond the scope of a normal nurse and put my self in jeapordy (physical as well as professional, think ER violence and tort issues), I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do it. All of you people who want socialized medicine, if you want a run-of-the-mill nurse caring for you when you are having a stroke: you get what you pay for. I'll be working in a nursing home giving an old lady a shower (safe job).
Sadly we are now nearly outnumbered with beneficiaries (only half of the people even pay taxes). When this health care is rammed down our blow hole the people who actually work and generate wealth in this country will be forced to pay for it.
We are a country of two factions:
1. Idle beneficieries bent on getting as much free stuff as possible who will vote any politician in that supports this soc-ial-ism.
2. Hardworking people who pay for it all.
I see a train wreck coming……..
Here's a great plan that would work for National Healthcare. The people who use it should have to pay for it. The people who dont pay for it shouldn't be covered. I would be willing to bet under this plan we would have the best healthcare in the entire world. Oh…….wait a second….nevermind. We already use this plan and we already do have the best healthcare in the world. Now if I could just remember that saying about if something isn't broken.
I will tell you what is going to pay for nationalized healthcare – Cap and Trade. The current plan is to transition us into some very painful tax increases a bit further down the road – and I can't emphasize the word painful enough.
If you have not written to your representatives and Senators on Cap and Trade (better known as Cap and Tax) – please do so now. Right now, Waxman is compromising with members of his own party to get a compromise in, and all those compromises do is delay huge tax increases on the use of anything that produces carbon. Although Obama promised "95% of Americans will see their taxes reduced", the reality is that with this legislation, he will sign into law the largest tax increase in history.
This bill is what ensures universal healthcares viability in terms of funding.
Kill Cap and Trade, kill universal healthcare.
Why are they even discussing this? It is a failure!!!! Who wants’ it? Where is the plan (they do not have one yet) NO transparency of the pro’s and CON’S. They will vote in June…. Where is our VOTE!!!!!
Here is my idea of how to handle the health care problem. I believe we should ALL BE UNINSURED. If everyone had to shop around for the best deals in health care just like you were shopping for a car or a TV, then free market forces would bring the prices in line with the market. As it is now, knowbody cares how much it costs because the insurance is paying, or Medicare is paying. If employers would set up health savings accounts, on a payroll deduction for each employee to pay the "day to day" costs, than the only insurance coverage we would need is for any major claims (say over $5000). Then they ask what to do with all the welfare folks? It's called tough love! The only way to stop dependancy is to cut off the food supply and make them go to work!
I fear for this country.Looking back at our history we always solved problems through our own intelligence.Now we look to other countries for which to model ourselves after.Kind of ironic though,the very reason our forefathers came here was to escape the oppressive ideals of Europe and now we are sprinting back towards them.Russia and China are making plans for the future.We are living for the moment.The result may be the fall Capitalism,America and the rise of Communism.I am starting to think more and more that these socialists proposals are part of a plot to destroy America.There is no way almost all of Congress and the White House can be this stupid, there has got to be something more.They are passing bills that have never worked before and expecting them to work now. Nationalized Healthcare is a perfect example.
How to pay for it is the wrong argument…whether or not to have national health-care is the debate we should be having. We have too many social programs, and not enough money to fund them. The three headed eagle represents our government. It has two wings, the left looks after the needs of the people, the right looks at how to pay for those needs. If one wing is lost, the eagle cannot fly…it will spin straight to the ground. And so that is our destination. It seems odd to me that they would hesitate to pass this when they can just print more money…or have they finally realized what that will do? I do not personally believe that Obama actually cares about how to pay for his agenda, because it won't be his problem…
NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES!!!
I would like you to know that the U.S. Senate Finance Committee is considering a possible $0.03 per 12oz. tax on sugar sweetened beverages to finance health care reform. The American Beverage Association has set up a website to help non-alcoholic beverage industry employees send quick e-mails to their Senators and Representatives. This possible tax would be a direct tax to the middle-class.
Please go to the American Beverage Association website:
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ADMINS! Stop culling my responces!
Answer me this, will the National Healthcare program cover the pain I feel in my wallet? I didn't think so…
I guarantee the proposed legislation by the Republicans will be thrown out by the buffoons controlling both houses. What the hell is so hard about the word NO! If the Dems are adamant about forcing sosulized medicine, the Republicans should do everything withing their power to kill it. I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM…….
I could not, would not, on a boat.
I will not, will not, with a goat.
I will not eat them in the rain.
I will not eat them on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox. (Maybe with some of the FOX chicks?)
I will not eat them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them ANYWHERE
I guess what I am asking is for a list of things to stock up on at a natural remedies store before they are closed down, because it will be illegal to treat yourself, will they outlaw vicks vapor rub, probably because it is a petroleum by-product. What about cough syrup-it has sugar in it. It is close to this already, a friend of mine told her doctor that she had started taking some vitamins and was going to look into alternative treatments and he wrote it in her medical report and then she got a call from her insurance company about medical treatments being covered, but if she chose not to take her physicians treatment that she might not be covered if she got worse. Folks she had trouble sleeping, turns out that she bought a new mattress and she is fine and sleeping quite well. But she said that taught her a lesson not to disclose to her doctor anything but symptoms.
"You can be sure if its Wastinghouse". (And the Senate) A lot of you probably don't know what this is. Back in the 1960's, An
appliance maker called Westinghouse used this phrase as advertising!
This Health care plan is terrible from what I hear from the Obama crowd. People that have Health Insurance will have to pay taxes on bills paid by their Insurance companies. That could amount to several thousands of dollars of fresh tax money we will have to pay each year. And this money will be used to give health Insurance to the 50% of the people that has never worked to support themselves, or their families!
I don't know about you, but I can't afford more taxes, let alone to pay for someone elses health care!
In the process, our Insurance will not cover a host of health problems, plus you will wait for long periods of time to be treated for an Illness. Dose anyone really want that? Obama says, "Share the Wealth"! Nuts to him!
Hey, anyone look at anything else gov't run? Like housing? Like the welfare program? The shape they're in after years of management by DC, WHY would anyone let them run healthcare?
We are paying for enough failed programs! E-mail you reps to vote against this nonsense! Look out, salt will likely be taxed next, as its use in excess may elevate blood pressure – but maybe they will just give you a yearly allotment, and you can get you one pound can of Morton's Salt when you go for your gov't mandated BP check! Yikes! and don't forget butter – they'll tax that too!
LOL….can you picture your Dr. or nurse with the budding personality and concern that your DMV has? Move em on in, herd em all out. It would be a nightmare.
Yeah, and maybe it will be a hit movie 'Nightmare on Main Street.'
Let's tax health benefits from those that get them, so that we can pay for those that don't get them. Now there is a fair plan. Next thing you know they will be taking mandatory blood from all citizens.
This is yet another chain added to the shackles that we will all be forced to wear. What is most disturbing is that they have actually managed to convince American's that man-made medicine is ones only hope for a happy, healthy life. I read a few months back where herbalists felt like they were under attack for promoting natural remedies that actually work better than prescription drugs. The UN is pushing CODEX Alimentarius, and the commission is to meet soon for ratification, GLOBAL ratification on nutrients in supplements. This is easy to research, but deciphering it all is a bit concerning. How did we get here and why would we even want to stay? I think we have some herbalists on this site, if so, any suggestions would be welcome so that I can have not only my first aid kit but also a natural herb kit ready. What do I need to get started, what do I need to read and what should I study to learn. I choose to take control RIGHT NOW. Any help would be appreciated.
Until " We The People" can convince congress, the senate and especially Obama to follow what is laid out in the Constitution this country will not last long. We are on the down hill side of the hill sliding faster and faster and soon we are going to CRASH!
'We' can yell and protest until our throats are hoarse, but Obama and his cohorts have an agenda that won't be denied. He has not an ounce of respect for that wonderful document our founding fathers put together nor does he care what our views are. Best to vote them out as soon as possible (2010). Although I think that won't be soon enough. Yestersday, we banded together here in Ca and voted the initiatives down. We are pretty fed up with the elitist gov't out here.
My Grandmother is 101 years old. None of us are going to have a chance to live that long with nationalized healthcare. We will see life expectancy decrease for once in this country. So sad this is happening.
I guess that is one way for Obama to reign in medicare and social security spending. Except, when national healthcare comes, there will be no medicare and with people dying with national healthcare, there will be less people receiving social security benefits. Since more older people are conservative, Obama is removing people that could oppose him. God Bless your grandmother. I hope that none of this comes true but unfortunately I believe it will. 2013 can not get here fast enough. At least then we can undo some of this and really clean this mess up in 2014.
One answer to the health care problem would be to cut out all the FREE care given to the illegal immigrants, and the FREE food stamps, and the 36 billion dollars a year the government spends on illegal immigrants a year. Then send them home which would stop about 750 million dollars a month leaving the US and staying in the country. And since Obama and his gang think so much of the illegals then send them with the illegals, think of the money that would save?
WE ONLY HAVE 2 WEEKS TO PREPARE! May 30th…Healthcare-now is having rallies Nationwide to promote
HR 676. Get together with your local groups to oppose these rallies. Find where they are holding a rally near you and let them know that Government run Healthcare is NOT the solution, but the death of quality healthcare and patients rights to choose and get medical treatments they need. Here is their website…..TAKE A STAND!
http://www.correntewire.com/tags/healthcare_now
"Senators will meet behind closed doors on Wednesday…" Oh more of that great Obama transparency.
I've got an idea, how about every single LEGAL citizen of these United States gets the exact same healthcare benefits that Congress gets and they have to pay for us!!! Since most of those fools in office are millionaires they ought to be able to part with a few bucks. If they can get free this and free that then we deserve the same!! It's time we put a complete stop to greedy, self-serving professional politicians and run this country like it should be run! Before Obama's money eating monster ruins this country we have got to STOP THEM!!
Heck, let's just do IRS audits on each member of congress and the President's cabinet members. I'm sure that un paid tax debt could be put to use somewhere.
How about we tax congress for every page of a bill they do not read and vote on, I think that will either provide a great deal of revenue or the idiots in Washington will actually know what they voted for.
That would be a good idea too. If they had to pay for all the pages that they did not read then they just might be able to handle their jobs that we elected them to do!
Let's see here now, what to tax? ………how about taxing the stupid crooks on the hill for a change. I mean…. it's not like they can't afford it. And since it's our tax money going to them anyway….we all win.
Every time they say something stupid, ….tax it. If they do something stupid, tax that too….wow just think of the loot we'd have then. : )
Another thing to tax, how about the ones who collect welfare, after all it's not their money, so why would they miss a small percentage. We pay taxes on our checks, so should they.
What to cut? ……. I'd like to cut off all salaries to the crooks on the hill. NO MORE MONEY. I think that will pretty much get this Country back on it's feet with some left over.
I agree. Tax welfare. It's income. Tax food stamps. It's income. Tax medical coupons. It's income.etc. etc. They tax social security and unemployement insurance already. If working Americans have to pay taxes then the dead beats and illeagals should also.
If you tax welfare they'll have to dip into the drug sales profits and pass the cost on to their customers…Think what a large price increase would do to the Ghetto economies…We'd have to bail them out.
Why not cut out their salaries? The original government did not get paid. They all had real jobs, so could these. Then things might get done faster and same the tax payers a whole lot of money.
NAAAH… Couldn't be this obvious…. surely…. which insurance company primarily "advised" Ogabe on the administration's healthcare plan? Which insurance company stands to gain most and which lose most? Read:
"In 1939, the Chicago-based American Hospital Association began using the Blue Cross symbol to signify that health plans across the country met certain standards. The AHA continued to administrate the use of the symbol until the Blue Cross Association was founded in 1960. The two organizations remained affiliated until 1972." (wikipedia)
Today, if you speak to persons from BCBS you will most likely be speaking to someone in a suburb of Chicago. Total coincidence. I have nothing against BCBS. edit, add, and nothing against Chicago.
Friends,
What to tax (in this case I’d add ‘and / or outlaw)?
Simple… Whatever the statist finds distasteful. And, this will come under the guise of being a “hazard to health”. “A burden to the health care system” is another good alternative to that end. After all, government is now the primary provider for your health care, therefore they have a vested interested in making sure you don’t screw up your health.
The template is already out there. Look at New York City and their tax against trans fats. Since it is a burden to the health care system, it needs to be discouraged.
Where else do you suppose this can be applied?
Red meat? Well, that stuff makes you fat and that’s a hazard to your health. Not to mention the hazard caused by livestock breath and flatulence. Those contain greenhouse gasses, don’t you know. It’s global warming on the hoof. Now, there’s a health hazard for you.
Maybe gasoline? That stuff powers cars and, if you crash one of those (especially the fuel efficient models), you definitely have a health hazard on your hands. There’s also the whole greenhouse gas, global warming thing again.
How about bullets? Why, guns are hazardous to a person’s health. Especially, to those who are trying to hem in our constitutional rights.
The list could go on but, I think you get the idea.
The upshot is, this is a mechanism by which to exert control over a potentially, somewhat “uncooperative” population. If you take (or are force fed) Dear Leader’s health care, you must do Dear Leader’s bidding.
Let’s be clear. The day universal health care is implemented is the day we stop being a free people and the day we start to become livestock. Don’t forget to get your nose fitted for the ring.
You are absolutely right in your rendition of Dear Leader's bidding.
NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES!!!
The American Beverage Association has set up a website to help non-alcoholic beverage industry employees send quick e-mails to their Senators and Representatives. This possible tax would be a direct tax to the middle-class.
Please go to the American Beverage Association website:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/ameribevaction
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES!!!
The American Beverage Association has set up a website to help non-alcoholic beverage industry employees send quick e-mails to their Senators and Representatives. This possible tax would be a direct tax to the middle-class.
Please go to the American Beverage Association website:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/ameribevation
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES!!!
The American Beverage Association has set up a website to help non-alcoholic beverage industry employees send quick e-mails to their Senators and Representatives. This possible tax would be a direct tax to the middle-class.
Please go to the American Beverage Association website:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/ameribevation
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES!!!
The American Beverage Association has set up a website to help non-alcoholic beverage industry employees send quick e-mails to their Senators and Representatives. This possible tax would be a direct tax to the middle-class.
Please go to the American Beverage Association website:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/ameribevation
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
We all better get cancer now before National healthcare hits. Once it does if your over 65 and get cancer sorry we cant help ya. If your lucky enough to get cancer under 65 woohoo you get treatment. Think i'm kidding Check Canada and England! Freaking prisoners get better than citizens! These people running the government now should be removed! by force if neccessary, There I said it! (Mark Levin would be proud!)
Let's see, we're going to tax sugar soft drinks to stop obesity, tax cigarrettes to stop smoking, increase gas tax to conserve gasoline, tax utilities to conserve electricity and water…here's my proposal
According to Open Secrets. com http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/ There were 15,276 registered lobbyists in Washington in 2008 and spent 3.27 Billion in their efforts I suggest we charge an annual License fee of 5 million for Lobbying Organizations and 1 million for individuals contracted to Lobby for 3rd parties. Using the 1 million amount we would raise 15,276,000,000. annualy..Afterall didn't ALL candidates run on a platform of ending Lobbying? Let's tax them out of existance like the rest of our vices
Don't you find the obesity thing a little hypocritic , seems to be a lot of over weight people talking about someone else's weight .
I'd like to add no more prescription drug commercials on TV. It's a sad state of affairs if you have to go in and tell your Dr. about something you saw on TV. Which is usually quickly followed by the lawyers doing a class action suit from those who died taking medications they haven't really studied enough. I mean it's nice to know, but those commercials cost a fortune and we have other means to get that info. It's just wasted money that could be left for the actual cost of the care.
glg46, I like the way you think.
Good post. Get gov't out of our private lives, as long as we are breaking no laws (like holding stolen goods, committing mur-der, etc. behind our closed doors). Once again, candidate BH0 talks about personal responsibility (says one thing) and president BH0 takes that personal responsibility away (does another). Another 10 thumbs up.
We don't need national healthcare. Talk about a bad move. I feel that we are heading towards Germany and Sweden and Canada. We are not those countries. And those countries Healthcare doesn't work. We need to vote these people out of office. Everybody gets old and gets sick. Haven't they thought about that the guys in Washington D.C? Nobody stays healthy all of their lives. We all get older. Unless we get hit by a bus. Think people in Washington D.C. At least that the 9-12ers think things through. Canada comes to the United States to get medical help when they need it. Why?????? Because our heathcare isn't run by the government. I gave something for you our government to really think about/ Have a great day 9-12ers.
something tells me tax on soda candy or beer will not be sufficient… the government is setting this whole thing up to fail so the insurance companies will need some sort of "bail out" then… THEN…. the federal government will be in the insurance business.
the government does not want to give us health care, if they did, we would be seeing plan outlines and if our personal physicians will participate…. they just want the insurance companies and taxing candy bars will not solve the healthcare problem.
http://raccioppi.info/governmentinfo/healthcarere...
Personally, I thought HMO's were enough of a killer. I had my kids in one of those state, based on your income programs, and it was totally useless. Keep the government out. They will screw-up a free lunch.
Just to let you know the government was in the insurance business at one time and obviously they failed at it.!!! They were in the business when back in the mid 60s when Medicare was passed as part of President Johnson's "Great Society " program. Now and for about the last 30 years Medicare is run by private insurance. Now private insurance is not doing this out of the kindness of their heart !!! They're making a huge profit at our expense !!! Look at the graft and fraud being perpetuated against Medicare and Medicaid !!! And now the gov't. wants to put everyone on MANDATORY health care !!!
It doesn't take a genius to see what's coming here:
Already the government is in the auto business, telling us what to drive, how to drive, and soon (assuming all the GPS satellites don't fall out of the sky at once) where to drive.
Government health care will OF COURSE be far more costly than they say at the outset, it will be hugely less efficient than anything now extant, and it will discriminate. They will also have the legal means to start telling you what to eat, how much, whether or not you can smoke/drink — drinks to include not only alcohol, but sodas as well. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. BIG BROTHER IS HERE!
You are right ! Just look at the track record of Amtrak and the Postal Service. Two great examples of government run systems. They are always needing more money, are always in debt and have never made a dime of profit.
We need to get much noisier !!! Just look at California, our government on a national level is heading down the same path. The "left minded" thinkers are what got that state in the trouble it is in today, and the rest of the country is following down the same path. Folks need to wake up !!!!!
We all have to stop this government healthcare. I'm from Germany and we have government healthcare, Americans wont like it. My Mother was terminal ill in 1982, by the time I got to Frankfurt my Mother has been in the hospital for four weeks. The day I arrived it was 94Fand the humidity was real high. I went to the hospital, my Mother was on the 8th floor, no fan, no air-condition, no oxygen, no pain medicin. She was in a room with four other woman. I was shocked, in been living in the US for over 12 years and have got ten use to the wonderful healthcare we have. A friend Father died before he could have the surgery he needed…Medicare is broke, so how is the government abel to take on some more cost? Lets write as many email and letter to our congress to stop this. We all know a government that send out 10 thousand checks to dead people, can't run our healthcare, God help us if they pass this.
They had a nursing home here, where the people in there were just medicare. It was filthy, the food was awful, people were dropping like flies from the heat and humidity and they were sitting there with not so much as fan to help. What care, heck the kennels treat the animals better. The staff was miserable and probably would have prefered being anywhere else but there, except they needed a job, and our looser Governor is going to cut cost to them if we don't comply. Cut what? Take their 3 dixie cups of water per day? I mean God take me if that is my final days.
My sister thinks we need it ,I tried to tell her what to expect but like others they don't want to hear it, they all think its going to be the best thing since sliced bread, there was a commentator on my local news web site that was from canada and she said the same thing, and that it is not free, she pays 50% of her income for it.
It is mind boggling that the Republicans have offered another bill for Universal health care. They don't get it. The government is not suppose to be in the health care business, that includes taxing peoples health care, to pay for others free health care. It is still redistribution of wealth. Democrats are offering us poo poo, the Republicans are offering us poo poo covered in powdered sugar.
All they had to do was hold off till midterm elections and the balance of power would shift just enough so that Dems could not force legislation on the nation. The Reps sat on their butts for years and did nothing, why they feel compelled to do something now is astounding.
It is mind boggling that the Republicans have offered another bill for Universal health care. They don't get it. The government is not suppose to be in the health care business, that includes taxing peoples health care, to pay for others free health care. It is still redistribution of wealth. Democrats are offering us poo poo, the Republicans are offering us poo poo covered in powdered sugar.
Gregory,
I understand the frustration. But, the Reps are not proposing national healthcare. It's still private sector. Which is what we need. But, without any rebuttal to the Dems, you have a one sided decision. Something I suppose is better than nothing.
One thing common in the health profession is basing their fees on what the insurance company is willing to pay in their particular area, whether it really costs that much or not. And I mean really costs. For you, not with all the unpaid peoples bills added to yours. Pay for what you actually use, not what they stick in your room to pad your bill. I'm a woman, I don't need a male urinal. I took natural birth classes and we had an instructor who told us things we could do to cut our bill, which you can buy, sealed at a hospital supply store that cost 1/10 if not more, less, than what they charge at the hospital. You pay more for 1 pill than an entire prescription would cost. It doesn't cost hundreds for a heating blanket. I could by one for what they charged me to use for a couple hours.
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The health care issue is no doubt one of the biggest boondoggles since LBJ's war on poverty (we all know how successful that was). If you haven't read them yet, scroll down and read NancyNurse's 2 posts about where we are headed. She does a terrific job of laying out the questions that we should be asking and that your congressional delegation should be asking about the proposed health care plan. Any sane person should quickly realize there's no way we can pay for this. The government will decide who gets health care priority – and no doubt anyone approaching or beyond retirement age will be at the bottom of the list. This is yet another pie in the sky government fix that will finish bankrupting our economy.
I wonder if the significance of the absolute trouncing California voters gave the tax increases in California has registered with the dimwits in DC? If California totally rejected tax increases, what do you suppose the rest of the country will do when "The One" tries to hijack us again? Tell me again how the TEA Parties were insignificant and were only a bunch of right-wing nuts.
Congratulations California voters and 912Project members all over the USA!
PS how long will it be before Obama will try to tell us he will use our tax money to bail out California…any bets?
As they tax those that make over $250,000/yr or $150,000 /yr or $50,000 / yr, to give 95% of the people a tax break of $10-12 a month, and a stimulus check to those that don't work. Now they tax tobacco/alcohol because of health., They tax the dead, because this is their last chance, but will send them a stimulus check anyway, to pay for their votes.When will we be able to keep the money we earned, instead of supporting a bunch of deadbeats, that doing nothing more then stay home, drink & get high, have baby's to make more welfare. Enough of the class warfare, I have my own expensives, I do not want to support deadbeats or share my wealth. But, that's the whole purpose, make America a third world country by destroying its way of life, while those elites in Hollyweird and the government live the life of the elite.
Semper Fi! 'When will we be able to keep the money we earn…? When Washington does one of two choices. First, congress hears the screams of the people to wake up and stop this out of control spending. The second? When we have control of the government again, one way or the other. My late dad was 1st Div in WW2!
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I believe we must take care of our poor. But, we do not really have poor. Poor is a term that has been used to describe people who simply cannot afford to buy health insurance but yet have the money in hand to purchase a 40 everyday. We assume that we are guilty of greed simply because we live in excess of the poor man. But it is not greed. It is hard work. A poor person is to me a person who works as hard as the gifts God gave him can muster but fall short of elevating him past them.
A farmer who works his small acreage to feed his family. A man who works 3 jobs as hard as he can to provide for his family. They lack education. Yet they are not lacking in human spirit. They lack in material objects but are willing to sacrifice their things to help another. They do not complain, they simply do the best with what they have.
Existence is not entitlement. We are not all entitled to anything. We must reach out and bring not just morality, but a sense of personal responsibility within each of us to understand that freedom comes with a price. It's called hard work.
The 10 to 12 bucks a month isn't a tax cut. Its a tax credit. Big difference at the end of the year when you have to pay that back.
I like how taxes aren't going up if you make less than 250 grand a year…. president friggin lyin piece of…
We're a family of 4, operating a small dairy farm, I have a 30+ hr/wk job with benefits, and make less than 40K. We own what we have, and owe no one for our land, cows, cars, trucks and equipment. Farm accounts are usually paid in 30 days, sometimes 60. I inherited my house in PA, and recently reduced my tenants rent by 25% because they are struggling right now. We are holding our own financially, and I really resent paying taxes to fund those deadbeats! We grow much of our own food, and so far are not forced to share it!
Just wait till ChiComs call in our debt!
I have a novel idea. We can tax stupidity. No, listen. Seriously, the American public has fallen for this welfare state concept since inception. The politicians actually believe they can make the same mistake 100 times and get different results. Hence we have the highest level of stupidity in the world.
I am disappointed in our people. We have allowed an almost majority rule by a welfare state. The middle class family has stood by too long.
In the end, this is just more taxation without representation since you nor I have ever been consulted on this and have never had the chance to vote for these changes individually. The reason. States rights. The gov has all the power. We must pass legislation across all states that has the teeth to uphold the 10th Amendment. Furthermore, we must return to a state legislature appointment of the Senate.
If we continue down this path of tax and spend, especially money we don't have the country will fail. We will be worse off than the depression.
Sadly, we will not feel the full effect of this rampant stupidity, our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren will be the ones who pay the price. It is time to stand shoulder to shoulder and fork to fork. Quiet revitlution is not going to do it. We must yell from the highest mountain and be willing to sacrifice our conveniences to achieve victory.
This Welfare concept is brought on totally by the Democratis party members. You will not see many Republicans, if any, that pushed for welfare. The reason the Dems support all of welfare is they can count on these recipiants of welfare to vote for them again, and again, and again. The Dems are using our tax dollars to fund their campaign over, and over again! Welfare truely started long ago to help the disadvantaged, but made no opening to make it temporary. Herein lies the problem! 50% of the population are on some kind of assistance, and it is never ending!
DonBCG; This Welfare concept is brought on totally by the Democratis party members. You will not see many Republicans, if any, that pushed for welfare. The reason the Dems support all of welfare is they can count on these recipiants of welfare to vote for them again, and again, and again. The Dems are using our tax dollars to fund their campaign over, and over again! Welfare truely started long ago to help the disadvantaged, but made no opening to make it temporary. Herein lies the problem! 50% of the population are on some kind of assistance, and it is never ending!
Thing is Gov't will exempt stupid people from the tax!
Tax stupidity? This blog could pay for the whole thing. We won't even have to raise your taxes. Now excuse me I have a pinko commie fascist atheist party to get to. It's abort your own fetus night…
i love the idea of paying a stupid tax, the problem is, the truly stupid people (charly wrangle, tim geightner, and half the elected democrats and most of obamas appointees) don't pay their taxes. so what good would that do.but your idea makes a terrific point about the futile nature of the welfare state and its inability to fix any of the problems they promise to cure. if what they were doing was working so well the problem would be getting smaller instead of bigger. the only reason for promoting such programs is to get more people hooked on government cheese.
All in congress get the finest healthcare package in the world for Free !
How about they pay top dollar for those benefits then Tax all of them a Blowhard Tax ( that could total Billions maybe trillions lol ) and use that money for healthcare for the truly needy.
It's not like they don't have other careers, can't afford to foot the bill, are actually doing thier job…..I agree, pay your own, no more freebies.
Deport the ambulance chasers and the illegals, that will cut costs.
You are more right than you know!
The Libs will never deport the illegals, they would lose too many votes and have fewer who leach off the taxpayers for healthcare and welfare. The way the Libs cut costs is that when a taxpayer falls on hard times, they will not qualify for the social programs, only because they will not make it a way of life, they will strive hard to get back on their feet. That is not the Lib way, the Lib way is total reliance on the Govt.
LOL….the libs can't deport the illegals because it would mean half of them would have to start packing.
My friend , I have tried for years to warn of the cost to the legal citizens and the effects our children will face over illegal aliens invading our Country , aid and abetted by those in DC , in total violation of our Constitution , they refuse to enforce laws and obstruct laws being enforced again violating the law themselves , they took an oath and have violated it by allowing us to be invaded . This use of illegals to gain total control of our government is a thing called Treason . Yet those who are committing these crimes are the ones in charge so nothing can be done with them , and the total power grab by Dems is still underway . Look up Frosty Woolridge he has written all about it .
"A federal soda pop tax. Higher levies on beer, wine and hard liquor. Taxing some health insurance benefits. Those are among the options the Senate is considering to pay for revamping health care."
So they want to tax people that have health insurance higher to force them to pay for health insurance for those that have none? That is outright redistribution, not completely of wealth but of intelligence. We want to redistribute the intelligence so people are too stupid to think for themselves. That way they can turn to the all-knowing politicians in Washington to have all their questions answered.
On another note, a federal tax of soda — Remember the phrase "No taxation without representation"? I would propose that at least half of the soda purchased is done so by those under the age of 18. Now I would like to refer you to a song, "Summertime Blues", recorded and remade several times over the years. There is a phrase in that song that, while satiric, has a ring of truth to it when dealing with politicians today. It comes from the "local congressman" where he says, "I'd like to help you son, but you're too young to vote." I would propose that these two scenarios combined would fully result in taxation without full representation. Add to that they really aren't representing anything but their own interests today and you complete the picture no matter the tax that is levied.
You are so on to something. This is a valid Supreme Court challenge. We need layers who are participating to at least look into that.
Can any lawyer on sight provide insight?
In 2006, when she became Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi vowed, "This leadership team will create the most honest, most open, and most ethical Congress in history." She was going to "Drain the Swamp".
Still in the swamp years later, is John Murtha, Chris Dodd, and good ol, Barney Fwank. (now Pelosi herself)
there's
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-New York)
Rep. John Doolittle (R-California) – Retiring
Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Florida)
Rep. Bob Filner (D-California)
Rep. Jane Harman (D-California)
Rep. William Jefferson (D-Louisiana) – Indicted
Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-California)
Rep. Gary Miller (R-California)
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-West Virginia)
Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Pennsylvania)
Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Arizona) – Indicted and Retiring
Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska
source: <a href=”http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Members_of_Congr…” target=”_blank”>http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Members_of_Congr…
These people decide how to spend our money! They make policy!
Nothing other than funding our troops & Homeland Security should pass until they DRAIN THE SWAMP.
There inlays the problem: The Swamp Will NEVER Be Drained!
Not when we leave the draining to the swamp dwellers! It seems, the only way it can be drained is by doing it ourselves at the polls. (even then, hard to do with all the corruption!)
And, additionally to my last post…….will we also house the homeless, put folks in institutional care who are 'frequent flyers,' cover nursing home and elder care? Why stop with a few procedures and surgeries? Where will the limits actually be?
Will we be FORCED to do preventative care (mammography, colonoscopy, heart scans, blood tests?). Forced into immunizations?
I have a much simpler idea—forget taxing folks for their bad habits and health conditions. How about we just let everyone pay out of pocket for their care? Or if you don't like that, have folks sign a waiver—-if you smoke more than one cigarette a day YOU sign a NO CARE clause in your health coverage. YOU cannot sue anyone or feign ignorance— and you will get no care for heart conditions, cancer, bronchitis, etc. In other words, you will be held accountable for your actions.
And before anyone accuses me of being a health Nazi, I have bad habits, too.
Do you mind if I copy your questions so that I can send them to my congressional delegation?
Rep. Charles Rangel, chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said Congress "absolutely" has the will to raise taxes to pay for health care reform.
Charlie Rangel….Tax Cheat
Tim Geitner….Tax Cheat.
Along with a lot of others…..
Nothing happened to them. Tell us why OBAMA….Please tell us why…
Then tell me why it's my obligation to pay for someone elses health care…
Buy your own damn healthcare!
Will someone please tell me just what we all might expect from Nationalized Health Care? Will providers be allowed or restricted from practicing privately? Will wages get 'capped.' Will Uncle Sam take over hospitals or just the providers?
Will we all get unlimited visits to see a doctor? Equal access to nursing care?
Will we get vision, hearing, and dental care? If not, why?
Will we treat alcholism, drug addiction, porno addiction and all other mental health causes?
Will we have the 'right' to refuse medical advise, quit taking medications, refuse a surgery? Or will we get rounded up and put under arrest like that kid and his mom doing herbal medicine for Hodgkin's.
Will we have a two tiered system—one for the working and one for the retired/unemployed? Will workers get well soon enough to keep a productive work force?
How will Uncle Sam handle malingerers and malcontents?
How will malpractice be handled if all doctors and other health care providers become government employees?
Will medical personnel have the right to unionize and go on strike or be sworn to duty like the military, regardless of conditions?
Will Uncle Sam take over all training and education for health care workers, too?
And what will be the punishment if a person disregards health teaching about caloric intake, eating meat, smoking/tobacco use, sexual habits, and alcohol use? Will these things become prescribed?
How will the industry police itself and set its own standards when Uncle Sam is both provider and payor of services?
NancyNurse; You have a big list here! Read my comment on this subject. It may vary slightly, but you will be restricted on most, if not all what you mentioned
The question that you mentioned, "Will we have the right to 'Refuse' medical advice" is not the question. It should be " will we have the right to 'receive' medical advice"?
You asked a load of wonderful questions. I can say, take a look at welfare free clinics and how that's going. Anyone that I knew on it, couldn't get second opinions. You couldn't understand the majority of the staff, and they weren't very well trained. The mother was seen as uncooperative and in some cases turned over to child protective if they didn't 100% comply, without question, to everything they told her to do. There was a clone chart……God forbid your child differ from that chart or you must be doing something wrong. YOU first, then they might consider other things like genetics, their misdiagnosis, something unusual….I've seen kids suffer needlessly because they didn't listen to the parents, or take anything they said seriously. It wasn't until they got their kids away from there, that they actually got the help they needed.
nancy good post! with all those questions comes one additional question "WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT?" in countries where there is socialized medicine the tax rates are astronomical. i guess that's the answer. they will tax us and we won't have any say.
Don't expect much. It will limit the disappointment.
Direct quote from the article:
"Rep. Charles Rangel, chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said Congress "absolutely" has the will to raise taxes to pay for health care reform. "Cut costs, raise revenue," the New York Democrat said. "Closing loopholes could be considered raising taxes, right?"
WHOA Nellie! This guy scares me. How about you?
Also, here's a thought. What if government worked with private industry to offer catastrophic health insurance that families paid for on a sliding scale according to their ability to pay? Yes, tax payers would be subsidizing these health care policies but that's better than paying for the health care out right, having health care rationed, etc. Thoughts?
The Tax Poem
Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads he must pass.
Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas,
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he's gone, we won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance tax.
Too true
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Thank you for the smile this morning. Bad news delivered well
18.4 cents per gallon federal exise tax on gasoline
England's petrol costs about four times as much as our gasoline. Wonder if they're paying more for crude, or if they're deluded enough to put up with more regulation/tax. Uhhh? Can you imagine, after inflation, what such regulation will do to the cost here? Now's a GREAT time to buy a horse.
With all the current spending, in only 100 days, they think the public might not notice another couple trillion now that trillion, billion, you know whatever. The Dems don't get it, we can't afford what they have passed so far and they want this too? If I wanted European Socialism I would move there. If they want it so bad, they should move there. I've seen the UK's system and read all the mind boggling stories in the local papers from reusing bed sheets to bug infestations, not to mention that little issue of rationing, NO THANKS!!!!
i never understood insuficent funds charge
nothing like paying a fee for being broke huh?
I do! Did you know that writing a BAD CHECK is a crime? And in this day and age of calculators and instant checks on bank balances, there is really no excuse.
nothing like a little satire to ruffle some feathers
Government-imposed "medical care" will be the ultimate tyranny. Plain and simple.
We cannot pay for Medicare and Medicaid. Why would Uncle Sam want to take care of even more kiddies when he's already got a whole brood?
My theory is to cut out care for the most ill and aged. When we are all under the umbrella of Uncle Sam's and it gets too crowded, they can shove a few out here and there and no one will squawk. Typical of the government. Make a mess and then make an even bigger mess fixing the last one.
This whole mess will be run by the same people that claim "progressive" ideas as their manifesto. Early Progressivism openly endorsed infanticide(abortion), euthanasia, and eugenics as ways to cull the population into manageable levels. These are the same people that that think that everything is zero sum, whether it be economics or population growth. There is something more sinister going on here than people realize. This isn't Canada…we don't have a Christian minister like Tommy Douglas, who simply wanted to improve the lives of the poor, our progressives are working for something complete contrary to that vision.
What is the heck is the big deal 95% of Americans are getting a tax cut. OBlame-a will not raise taxes on us just the
rich,,,,,,
Yep Change we can believe in, dam the just taxed my pocket change. Now I am Tapped,,,, what a tap tax too.
Well there is the vice tax for smokes and now gasoline, electricity. Next there will be a breathing tax.
That is under Cap and Trade it's part of the CO2 emmissions ban. This will also include tickets to sporting events due to the higher rate of CO2 emmission by the players and the screaming fans.
taxes taxes taxes……..
soda,beer,wine,liquor,cigarettes,gas,desiel,homes,property,cars,trucks,liscences,permits,impact fees…… and so on and so on and so on… when the HECK is it gonna stop??? im gonna research taxes in all their forms and post them here. i will try federal level first.. any help will be appreceated.. Mr. Beck will you possibly place a tab on this site for tax information, i want to include fees and the like. if others feel the same way please help
thank you all
He is trying to beat us down, cover us up with garbage so we can't fight our way out… control control.
Be prepared to get "corpal tunnel" by the time you're done typing all those taxes and fees!!
Since Jan. I've been tracking exactly how much $ my family is paying out in all the extraneous taxes besides income tax, social security and medicare. You might want to do the same. It's amazing how many HUNDREDS of dollars we've paid so far this year in telephone excise taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes, etc. I'm an income tax preparer and even I was surprised just how heavily the government taxes us.
yes sir , take my city of daytona beach utility bill. this bill covers water,waste water,garbage,and storm water.
why do i have to pay an additional fee called "public service tax"???? this is in addition to state sales tax
Only government-educated Obamabots can possibly believe the same Federal Government that created the Frankenstien Social Security and Medicare programs should be placed in charge of ALL our health-care.
Goo, this is the elitist utopian dream. They will sit above the unwashed class and rule. I have read a book recently that managed to put my own abstract thoughts regarding the progressives into a comprehensive well documented and researched piece of literature. I was able to get a big picture summation from it. The Statist is only concerned with power. Nothing else.
I don't disagree with your assessment. It is interesting to me that it took Mark Levin to coin a term that could be the closest approximation. It is populist, progressive, socialist, fascistic, and elitist combined into one little simple phrase: Statist. How do all of these come to describe what we are facing? We have never seem ANYTHING like this before. Not even Stalin could be this convoluted.
Now, I am not saying our president is Stalin…let me be clear…but the tendency to want to control the population through seemingly popular means…and speak out of the both sides of one's mouth on any issue is VERY disturbing.