U.S. to Lift Some Curbs on Travel to Cuba
Posted by the912project on April 4, 2009 · 45 Comments
No cigars coming this way, but families can visit their relatives soon.
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There are many families that are torn in two by the lack of free travel between these countries. I do not feel that the Government has any place dictating whether or not family members should be able to travel to visit each other. However, I think that is the extent that we should be friendly with Cuba. The Castro's are simply not good people. They have no regard for their citizens. We cannot condone that behavior by offering too many olive branches.
I would like to take this opportunity to ask all my fellow 912'ers the following question seriously;
When BO made his speech to the people of Germany during the campaign Angela Merkel had a closed door meeting with BO for all of 5 minutes but would not be seen with him nor attend his speech.
When BO went to the G20 conference Angela Merkel would not work with him at all nor be seen with him as much as possible.
Now, I ask you, does Angela Merkel see something that 52% of America didn't as a nation? Maybe because she may be old enough to remember, or, accurate German History tell's her to stay far away from this guy?
Does Angela Merkel feel she is seeing an Instant Replay?
I believe she does and for some reason I trust her judgement!
Political financial motivation; Cubans are still driving our old 1940-1960's cars. Our collectors will buy all there old cars, and we will push our new cars on them. The big 3 must be behind the push.
Also, allowing americans to freely visit Cuba is a logical strategic move. If we easily can access the country we'll have a better vantage point to observe and monitor the buildup of the new Russian bases going up in South America. I'm certain we want to add some kind of facility in Cuba for a special goverment need.
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February 6, 1986
Not that I was planning to go to Cuba anytime soon, but I thought it odd that Obama is opening the "door"
for more travel to Cuba BUT is now trying to restrict tourism to Antarctica (wasn't planning on going there
anytime soon either).
Apparently he has concerns about the environmental impact that tourism is having on Antarctica?
Cuba (a communist "state") and Antarctica (considered to be a politically "neutral" territory).
Any thoughts????????
Not that I was planning to go to Cuba anytime soon, but I thought it odd that Obama is opening the "door"
for more travel to Cuba BUT is now trying to restrict tourism to Antarctica (wasn't planning on going there anytime
soon either).
Apparently he has concerns about the environmental impact that tourism is having on Antarctica?
Cuba (a communist "state") and Antarctica (considered to be a politically "neutral" territory).
Any thoughts????????
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Understood. (Please 'know' that my reply was a 'positive'….) I appreciate the 'insight' of your initial comment…….and I "meant it' when I stated:
"Good thing that you are thinking this through. Bad part is that Cuba will probably "take you up, on your idea"……which means they are actually 'closet' capitalists!" (Our government, already has…..)
Our mutual problem is "how" to get our so-called-leaders to 'understand'…….especially when it comes to funding anything worthwhile, using taxes 'other than from' the general fund. It is too bad, that we cannot get our 'lawmakers' to "see your point"……without funding the oppressive/corrupt government in Cuba. We are trying…..
Personally, I believe we should keep the ban up until the people of Cuba overthrow the dictator. They are sheep like this country has become sheep (harsh but true) and have not stood up for their independence. People are controlled because they allow themselves to be controlled. Freedom does not come free, it comes from sacrifices, even the ultimate with life. Those people would rather risk their lives in an ocean in a small boat than risk thier lives fighting for a cause, and wants freedom that we have fought for to maintain. But there are people in this country who abuse their freedoms or lax their freedoms at the expense of those who fought to maintain it. Keep you eyes close going through life and stay in the darkness while the light of liberty is quashed.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
The US government has been keeping families apart for decades by blocking travel to Cuba. Anyone who holds the 9 principles dear should fully support lifting these travel bans.
If these "boat people" adhered to # 4, they wouldn't have run away to America and left their family behind. Pretty low, cowardly, and dishonorable if you ask me. Stop blaming America for other peoples bad choices.
The pilgrams as well were "boat people" who fled an oppressive regime to escape religious intolerance. Do not judge these immigrants that came to this great country under similar circumstances as our forefathers.
I don't particularly like the idea of them sending money to their families which will ultimately end up in the hands of the Cuban gov't, but we as a country have no problem arming the Chinese army with all of our "Made in China" purchases. If American citizens want to visit a country like Cuba, we should let them, but then let them suffer the consequences. A trip to Juarez, Mexico anyone??? I didn't think so.
You do realize that many of the Founders were attorneys. Let's look at the content of the person's character, not their occupation. My husband is a lawyer and the most humble, thoughtful man that I know. He is considering running in the future because of his concerns which are consistent with Constitutional values. I would hate for people like you to turn away from what is right based on preconceived notions.
The travel doesn't bother me,
what concerns me is?
HHMMMM?????
I understand that the Cuban-Americans will want to send money home to help their families.
Here's the problem (and it soon can become ours) the rate of taxation.
When the Castro brothers see these families getting more money, what will likely happen?
Money for the gov't. is collected from the Cuban citizens in 2 basic ways "land rent tax" and
utilites tax. The Cuban gov't. can assess more (tax) or less as they see fit. If you don't believe
that the Castro brothers DON'T know who gets what money & when they get it, well I got some land
in Cuba you can rent as well.
In the long run, the Cuban-Americans will be giving the Castro brothers MO' MONEY.
(I'll bite….) …..and the best part of the 59's….is that ALL the serial numbers 'match'….every ONE.
Anyhow, even though I 'could' be interested, I'm not; I don't want to support them (in any way), and I don't want a clone of old technology (especially since I can now acquire a fuel injected 327, producing 300hp, that gets OVER 20mpg).
On subject, why would we even consider assisting a despot? Should we NOT be trying to fix our 'own' broken house-of-cards? (If they are so successful, why do they need our 'capitalism' to succeed?)
Seems that "keeping OUR focus" would serve us 'all' better, without 'venting'……
OR give the gitmo detaineess to Hugo Chaviz?? Let them run rampid in his cities!
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Now that Obama has sold every American out by nationalizing everything he can get his hands on, its good for you to see that he has now sold everything to Europe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDBkf4F_hs
Actually they are still producing brand new 1959 Chevys
i disagree completely. We need to suspend talks with ANY communist nation, and that includes China. Instead of them calling our T-bills, why don't we just revoke them? Then they will have the worthless paper, and their economy can get the justice that it deserves?
I can see it now, Mileage Plus for Gitmo Detaineess on Jihad Air. Why not release them in Cuba?
Just think about it, if Walmart was allowed to purchase goods from Cuba that would increase the prosperity of Cuba considerably. Is that a bad thing for Cuba? Quite bashing Walmart folks. Take them out of the workforce and you would have considerably higher unemployment AND higher prices.
Sorry, but it isn't about WalMart…… The current rulers would prosper, but I doubt the 'subjects' would. Our previous philosophy was to 'coerce' the so-called-rulers into a more family-friendly form of government. The last thing (which we most likely would end-up with) is for "our support" to be misused (at the expense of the population)…….as we cannot be the "enablers" of oppression.
What about China, we have a huge trade market with them and I would certainly call that regime repressive. What I am saying is that by opening up trade with Cuba, we can accelerate regime change.
Dang…..no cigars? If the Administration would allow Cuban cigars, they would be able to collect more tax for the SCHIP program.
….do I detect a hint of sarcasm, here?
Good thing that you are thinking this through. Bad part is that Cuba will probably "take you up, on your idea"……which means they are actually 'closet' capitalists!
MyrmidoNOT, yes I was being sarcastic in my comment. I would encourage everyone that smokes and are mad as hell about the new tobacco tax increase to cut back on their smoking (I have). This would send a clear signal to the lawmakers that the expected tax revenue to fund SCHIP has failed.
The Colonists protested to the KIng when they were being over-taxed on basics such as sugar. They cut back on the consumption of sugar and it send a clear signal to the King.
Yeah. Screw Obama and Cuba! Where the hell are my Monte Cristo's?!?
(sarcasm)….yea, just what you need…..a 'used' camshaft with 475,000 miles 'on' it…..
No it cant have that many miles on it…Cuba isn't that big…Not like you can go on a road trip of any length.
But I would be afraid that they have been used as a boat…
Understood, but since '56…….a few laps, around the island. (Been there, Gitmo, USN.)
And, if it WERE 'used as a boat'……Chevy's (then) do NOT 'play well' with salt water.
Other than that, I would think the chassis would appear to be more like a croissant……than steel.
Which still does NOT solve the newly created problem, of "what to do" with the corrupt government.
I'm all for letting families reunite. I think that's great, and long past due. The part of the article that upsets me is that the restriction on sending money to Cuba is also lifted. The President stated in the article that it was about time for Cuban-American money help their families become less dependent on the Castro regime. What about Americans being dependent on the welfare regime? We have a massive governmental spending program (that I wholeheartedly oppose), so shouldn't we be trying to keep our money in-house a bit more? I don't like telling people what to do with their money, but given the actions of our government, I think we have to start trying to compensate a little bit.
The Cuban-Americans can send all of THEIR hard earned money they want to Cuba.
….along those same lines; aren't we "being" an ENABLER? Does not ANY assistance, whatsoever, support the very regime (that we 'were' trying-to-topple)?
Sarcasm: By a 'little bit'…..do you mean a trillion or two? (We need a new word, for excessive!)
Guess our 'nationalism' is being replaced by 'world-wide' social engineering…..
If we open Cuba Maybe we can keep the base at gitmo as an ambassy At least the marines will get to stay.
Yeah, watch out Mexico and China, we have a new cheap labor market in the works, and like China, we can overlook their worker standards so we can get our socks another 25 cents cheaper at Wal-Mart. Capitalism works on a level playing field. Some fields are just more level than others. But as Hillary said with China, no reason that human rights should interfere with trade discussions.
Gee, what a study in contrasts…
Prez OB wants to do for USA what Fidel did for Cuba?? I recall Fidel 'talking' with the soviets…
Once it's gone, it's gone, Patriots!!! There will never be another USA if ayers finally gets to blow the place up through his serrogates…
Are we in the same place as Netherlands was to pre-WW2 hitler??? Ewww, that WAS nasty…
I want to go over and get parts for my 56 Chevy!!! I hear there are lots of them there…
Good, it's about time. We get every cheap crappy plastic thing in the world from communist China, so what's the big frig'gin deal with Cuba. I never gave a !@#$ about the whole stupid thing to begin with. Let's open relations before Hugo sticks his filthy foot in and screws the people of Cuba again.
That is good to hear. But doubt it will be a tourist attraction for many years to come. With Castro about to kick the bucket and his brother to take over, It will be a wait and see for Cuba.
Understood; but that bridge 'should not have been crossed' either. The problem(s) are many, but our LONG-TERM diplomatic process/conditions have been corrupted by previous administrations (too). We are supposed to 'uphold' our values, by "standing for" something, over time. This has been eroded, to the point that "they" do not even 'know' how/why/where to 'deal' with us. (This project is about values……or the re-awakening of them.) You know, GOOD management!
On your point (of ….opening up trade…., we can accelerate regime change..) my response would be: If we had a receptive ruler (which we don't), why would we even consider assisting a despot? Should we NOT be trying to fix our 'own' broken house-of-cards? (If they are so successful, why do they need our 'capitalism' to succeed?) We cannot be an 'enabler' of an oppressive regime, if we can avoid it.
Something akin to: You cannot save another, if you cannot save yourself.
The problem is their government, not the current 'subjects' (which I am trying to utilize, in the kindest 'sense'). I wish your concept would succeed; but history has proven that the 'powers-at-be' would most likely be the ONLY beneficiary (of our efforts).
Too bad we are occupied with other issues, like preserving OUR country/republic, before it too becomes a shell of "things past". We must keep our focus, and preserve OURSELVES, so that we are THEN able/capable of assisting others. Hopefully in time, we then could 'assist' in creating a more family-friendly form of government….
(continued)… ….this is about 'shared' outrage, even if it doesn't directly 'relate' to Cuba.
(sarcasm on:) …..obviously, you MUST be one of 5% who are getting a tax hike! (..or was it the 95%?..)
….this 'wonderful new world' of misdirection…. (or is 'that' just another term, for 'lying'?)
…."what is it" with politicians, who disguise their agenda….(behind their so-called 'moral outrage')…..and then fund THEIR agenda with a so-called-sin-tax (using "that" outrage, as the logic)? Oh, I 'get' it; you are 'less of a citizen' because you enjoy a fine cigar! (Doggone 'rich' Cuban-cigar-smoking under-taxed troublemaker!)
(sarcasm off.)
Guess we cannot escape the 'social engineering'; even if we were to 'live' in Cuba…….