More from the Treasury Secretary – he wants “new rules of the game.”
Posted by the912project on March 26, 2009 · 152 Comments
The words “sweeping overhaul” should tell you much.
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I have been reading the various posts and find them interesting. However, in order for this to work we have to be able to sort out the ideas and post a summary. I just cannot read all ot the information. There is not enough time in the day! I know Glen Beck does what he can but one person is not going to get us where we are trying to go. I am not sure which way we need to jump with this project but we may only get one chance at this and it had better be right. For sure this voice needs to hammer the senators and congressmen/women. This has become a loud voice but it has yet to be felt in the halls of power. Maybe some of the other voices like Rush, Lara, Mark, Hannity, etc will get on board. This really needs to be thought out fast so we can start having some impact. Things are moving vary fast and we are going to be left behind. One the debt is so large a new administration may not be able to help us.
The core problem with Geithner's plan is that the reason hedge funds and derivatives are not covered by current regulations is that financial entities created these as a way to wiggle around regulations. If this Administration seeks to create more regulations all that is going to happen is more wiggling — and possibly even more damaging results in the future. If this bill is allowed to go through, all these bailouts and spending bills are going to look like child's play. Super-regulation will prove to the American people that economic conditions really do trickle down.
I believe I Miss George is right. There are a lot of very intelligent people on this site, with many great ideas and thoughts. We need to pool these ideas together and formulate a plan to put an end to this nonsense. We cannot let this crisis go to waste either. We need to use this crisis to prove our point to the rest of the American people that we are not just losing our Republic, it may already be lost. It is not hopeless, however. It is lost, but it can be found.
That's another good idea, thanks again Trod. I haven't even gotten a form letter saying "thanks but no thanks" yet, so I am afraid to proceed, but determined not to give up. I will send the idea to FNC's website, and maybe that will prove to be the best avenue, or yet another dead end… but try it all, right?
Thanks, I appreciate the info.
This Geitner creep alone is reason enough to hold mass protests around the country. I wonder what we have to do to have him tossed out along with Pelosi and Barney Frank. This freak show has got to have an end and waiting around until the next election cycle Is not an option we can afford to wait for . Maybe we ought to aggressively pursue avenues to have these people shamed into obscurity.
Maybe we should take up donations to hire a private investigator dig into these peoples lives the way they illegally dug into Joe the Plumber's. Anyone know one? How much does he or she charge for their services? Lawyers who might be present: is there a way to have the law work in our favor for a change and force the issue of having these people tossed out? Can we seek legal action or a class action lawsuit against the states that keep voting these jerks in who are damaging the rest of us? Come on, let's put our heads together and come up with something!
Okay , I have read a few wonderful idea's here and the Armory Of Knowledge is great. First of all unless we march on Washington no one is going to listen to us. We need a coordinated way to let this President know that we do not want or support his idea's. I am in favor of RECALL but I happen to like my Senators. Those of you that have corrupt Senators should really look at your states constitution and start a RECALL. One way we might get attention is if we peacefully protest in front of our local radio& television stations. We should pick a day and a time to do it and all states should be apart of it. We would be all over the air waves and the world would at least know that we the American People will not stand for dictatorship. Just a thought!
more power to close bussines that they feel pose a threat to the economy . think about this close bussines and sent more work to china.to get china to loan more to the big power grab spenders or in short the bpgs.I distrust every thing I hear I have this sick feeling down in my gut and you allways listen to your gut .God gave you that gut felling for a reason.
Listen Up Folks! There Is A Bill That Has Been Submitted That We All Need To Support Right Now And Back-up Those Sponsors With Phone Calls And Letters…
"Let's Have A Constitutional Showdown"
Every Congressman swears an oath to “…preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” To a casual observer, these words could be interpreted to mean that laws enacted by Congress should be consistent with the requirements of the Constitution. To the majority of Congress, these words seem to mean something else, or have no meaning at all, because much of the legislation produced in Washington has no relationship at all with the Constitution.We are a Republic Nation founded upon the U.S. Constitution,AND our laws should be constrained by the Constitution.
Arizona Representative John Shadegg has introduced the “Enumerated Powers Act” (HR450) which requires that:“Each Act of Congress shall contain a concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act.” Again-Every congressman who has sworn to “…preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” They all should eagerly endorse this concept without hesitation,doubt or question – or be exposed as a hypocrite and traitor to the people,then be voted out of his or her Seat or impeached.They're there to speak for us as a people.If they are not true to the Constitution and the voices of "We The People" They betray us,betray our country and their oath.They are worthless to us as both Representatives of States and Nation .They do not belong in a position entrusted by our states, country or People whereby they willingly abuse the power and authority we've entrusted to them with either contempt,irresponsibility or blantent incompetence.They do not represent us at all…
Today-Now more than ever before They are not protecting Us "The People",Nor Our "Constitution and Our Rights",nor our Country. They've all violated the oath that Each One Has Sworn To-Including that Destructive President.Those Speaking and Voting otherwise against the will of the people to me is treasonous and trecherous to the Liberty and Freedom Of Us All- and must be removed from holding those seats.We must remain aware, be vigilant to the deceptions behind the words and speak out to preserve and protect Our Constitutional Rights and Our Country As A Whole.No else there in DC is going to do it for us unless we push the issues.The Time has come that we realize that -that "Piece Of Paper-Our Constitution" is the "One And Only Thing" Within Our Government That Is Actually There To Protect The American People.We cannot allow them to take our rights from us,bankrupt our country and destroy what has made this the nation of dreams that others want to come to-to be free…for FREEDOM…
We should never give these up willingly or silently.We must not stand still ,We must not be silent while they destroy what is Great about the USA and being American! They didn't ask for our consent.They don't have Our Consent,we need to ensure they all know it.They cannot take our country down this extreme socialist path with out our consent.Silence is the same as consent,let us all never be silent again.The time to Be American,Speak Out Boldly as a American is Now…Right Now Folks….
This bill I spoke of was introduced to the House on January 9; it has "Only" 18 co-sponsors. This means that 417 representatives are not co-sponsoring this bill as of yet. This number can and should be changed. However It will not change, , unless We the People and Voters-US- force our individual representatives to also co-sponsor this bill for us, or publicly explain to the American People why he or she will not then see to it that they are voted out. It's up to us to act to change that sponsorship to the will of the American People.Not the will of this administration and big government.We can start by bombarding them all with phone calls,emails write letters to the congressmen and your state representatives.Then write open letters to them "Public" letters. Post them,post their responses on line,blogs message boards.Print up and post them where ever you can where people will see them on goldenrod paper with black ink.People will look at them quicker with those colors-like caution signs and school buses.It'll draw attention just because. Get more people talking-listening.Stir it up enough that they'll HAVE to respond to cover their butts.It's like they say."It's like a pile of crap.The more you stir it-the worse it smells.Soon everyone around notices what it is that stinking up the place." Time to start stirring folks….
They work for Us,let's not allow them to ever forget that fact again….
RECALL!!!! Check your state constituion.
Mach, What system do you recommend we use? There will always be people who achieve. You can not level the playing field. No one has the right to tell me how or where to live nor how much money I can make, NOT IN MY AMERICA SIR! If someone chooses to live in poverty or suck on a crack pipe it is not my fault or responsibility. What you are espousing is unmitigated Socialism/Communism and that system has failed wherever it has been tried. The European Union is telling us don't go there, our Government should not be so egotistical to believe they can do it better. Where else has laissez faire capitalism been practiced and failed? You need to quit repeating slogans and do some research.
It was linked via Fox, last night at 6:00pm EST
Robert,
How do you justify giving government more control? What business have they run? What program do they have that is a success?
Geithner is a loose wing nut, he meaning the government wants total power over our country's industries and so on. You can look at him and see pure evil in his eyes. Hes nothing more than a servant to the anti-crist.
I agree with robert, these institutions have the nation's money supply on their books. Any failure on their part puts the entire money supply of the United States in jeopardy. Besides, laissez faire capitalism is a known failure. Capitalists are inherently greedy people today. Rather than banking and investing being about creating sustainable, long term growth that benefits all involved, our capitalist system has become one big get rich quick scheme. The financial markets have been irresponsible with the freedom and power they have been given. They have not proved that they don't need regulation.
Unfortunately our economic system is based on greed, and last time I checked greed was a bad thing. Greed hurts innocent people. If these financial corporations can't be responsible for themselves, then the body politick needs to make them responsible. This is a legitimate job of the government in the economy, you're right to make money ends when you hurt people. These large corporations don't understand that, and thus they have lost the collective trust of America. WIth great power comes great responsibility.
I believe that the reason for not letting them go bankrupt has more to do with the special interests that Obama's team and some republicans have with these major players.
I dont think anything at this point is not government run. FDIC, FED its all a black widows web.
Amen. Turbo Tax Cheat Tim is a disgrace. How can this be happening?
I_Miss_George:
I really like your idea of the "Armory of Knowledge." I started listening to Glenn last fall and realized that I have been living in an uninformed bubble for years. I have begun a reading campaign to educate myself, but I'm a first-year school teacher, only employed half-time, and I can't afford to buy these materials. It is often difficult to find the books he recommends at the library. (I live in a very conservative area, and there are VERY long waiting lists for all the items he recommends- and many of the newer ones are not available in libraries yet!)
Is there a way to post the contents of some of these books online? Older documents could be copied without copyright infringement, correct? All it would take is a website and someone willing to type. (Is there already a site where one can access the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?) Do we think any of the more recent authors would be willing to post at least some of their material online in support of "The Cause"? Or, perhaps, a 'cliff-notes' version that incorporates a bibliography as well? The more information we have, from dependable sources, the more we'll be able to defend our stance with ideas and logic, rather than relying on emotion, religion, and tradition.
Maybe we could add a section to the 912Project site that incorporated information and discussion: links to documents online, excerpts from more recent books, etc. combined with a well-organized and indexed discussion forum. Perhaps if we were able to reference and organize our comments… Maybe comment titles that reference the document and section being discussed? Hmm…
Thanks for your idea. How do we make it happen?
http://www.thenational912project.com
Constitution and bill of rights plus Declaration are on this sight. Maybe you might consider joining this sight. No money involved just join to be part of the movement.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV> <DIV>I think it is such a good idea ,keep me informed, and if I can help just email me. I just feel we have to start working at a faster pace. </DIV> <DIV style=”FONT: 10pt arial”>
Thanks trod, I'll send it Glenn's way through his radio site, that's a good idea. I hope it isn't overkill, because I tried to post it in a few different places so that it had a better chance of being seen by the right people.
As far as making the information accessible to any level of education, I think it is a key element in the whole idea. I'll most likely be constructing thematic breakdowns and paraphrasing of tougher to follow quotes from back when we still spoke like Englishmen. I really want to avoid any possibility of my interpretations or biases to change the core meaning of any of the information, so to some degree it will have to retain some archaic language, but I will do my best to create impartial summaries.
I agree everyone should have a voice, and that no one knows everything. This Armory would be an archive of American historical documents, ideas, and all other pertinent nuggets of information. Since it's an archive, though, it might not be the place for voicing opinions – I won't even let my opinions on the topics come into play at the Armory, because this site in itself is the pulpit from which everyone can voice their thoughts. The Armory would just be like a wonderful school book through which every member of the 912 Project can expand their convictions about what makes the country great.
When it seems that a majority of members are getting to a singular point of understanding, then we will be much more universally in agreement. Once a group of people can stand together of their own free will, sharing equally a mission, a knowledge base, and then a driving intent to pick a course together, rather than willy-nilly in small clusters with little to no framework, then we will be truly efficient, energized, and effective.
Sorry for rambling off again.
I think the lawsuits defending the constitution will be slow coming because the primarily Liberal attorneys and people in academia are thrilled to see the constitution shredded. Tim Geitner should first figure out how to pay his own taxes before asking for more power over companies and businesses that actually understand how to make this country function and prosper.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV> <DIV>Hi you can contact glenn at his online site Glenn beck.com, go to the contact us section at the top and you will see where to email him. Also I love your idea. The only question I have is not every one is anA student, but everyone is American, and every American should be able to submit an idea and have a voice. The knowledge armory can help us all learn. I by all means need it. I want to also hear from older and younger people who don't want to live in a world governed by tyranny. This is getting way to scary.</DIV> <DIV style=”FONT: 10pt arial”>
Trod, I followed your directions, and on Glenn's site I found the emails for Glenn as well as Stu – albeit they were probably just addresses provided for his show, and likely skimmed through randomly by staffers. I do hope that it gets a chance to be read by Glenn, or somehow brought to his attention.
I'm already scouring the net to build the actual Knowledge Weapons (just a name I use for each individual document, speech, text) which will then be indexed, stored and made as user friendly as a card catalog, I hope. I just don't want to construct a site on my own with this. I feel it would be improper to do it without Glenn's ok, or his stamp of approval and support.
Also, I'm waiting to build the Armory as a whole because I would love it if this could be a part of the 912 Project site, rather than a separate website. I think that would cut down on the number of members using the Armory, simply because people are inclined to stick with the site they're on when it comes to things like this project.
By the way, Trod, I will keep you informed via email. If anyone else on the Project wants to be kept in the loop on this, or wants to offer suggestions, possible sources of credible information, or is just curious and wants to hear more details of The Armory Of Knowledge, feel free to email me at mail.d.lowden@gmail.com.
I will do my very best to return all emails, but if this starts to become something of real interest and encouragement, my replies may take a little time. Thanks Trod, for all your comments on this, I appreciate them.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV> <DIV>I miss George,just a thought , what if you try to contact thru the foxnews website. </DIV> <DIV style=”FONT: 10pt arial”>
THEY THOUGHT WE WERE DUMB ENOUGH TO NOT KNOW ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING UNTIL THEY HAD COMPLETED THEIR PLAN,LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF US WERE LISTENING AND LEARNING THE RIGHT THINGS IN SCHOOL,
Ok I did a little listening and look up. Since our constitutional rights are being trashed we need to by pass congress and go to the supreme cout. But They will not take a constitutional case unless someone can prove that what the congress or the administration has done hurts a peticular person. For example.. The Aig exs. were targeted by congress and a bill was passed to punish them. That is against their rights. So we need to get someone to sue the government because they were specifically target by the congress in an abuse of power. Who can we get. Anyone know anyone at AIG . I know all of us are being threatened. Lets look at the fairness doctrine. If Glenn or Rush or Hannity get taken off the air, maybe we as a group can say it targeted conservatives and hurt us. I don't know, we need ideas people and I am begining to think we need many people to march to Washington DC. It is getting tense and time is running out. Start telling everyone you know., If you don't think this is worth fighting for we as a nation are lost., This administration and the people in the congress and senate (both parties) are going beyond socialism and marching right toward a one world government.
YES THAT THE PROBLEM,HE KNOWS HOW TO GET TO US AROUND THE LAW,WE NEED WANT THE LAW ON OUR SIDE,COME ON PEOPLE,START TALKING NOT JUST COMPLAINING,WE HAVE TO HAVE TRUTH AND TRUST EACH OTHER THROUGH THIS,THE ENEMY IS COMING FOR US,USING OUR ON LAWS ILLEAGALY AGAINST US.
there has to be lawyers in this 9 12 project,somebody knows a lawyer,some, a few willing to speak up to help us find a way to get this done legal,writing letters until my fingers are falling off,nothing has changed,until we in the 9 12 and tea party come together this will continue,PLEASE, OUR COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE WE ARE IN TROUBLE IF WE DON'T DO SOME THING NOW,NOT TOMMORROW,IT'S GETTING LATE WE ARE RUNNING INTO A FIRE STORM,
This is the biggest power grab in the history of our Nation! And coupled with the White House overseeing the Census (with ACORN doing the counting) and the President's Brown Shirts being indoctrinated in the ways of ACORN (with us footing the bill) — our country is going down the tubes!
It is with great speed that Obama/Emmanuel are doing all of this — Quick! Before the rest of the folks realize what is happening!
It is almost too overwhelming. One hardly knows which fire to attack first. But fight we must, if ever we want our Nation back!
God save America
Congressman Wants to Know Why Geithner Contradicted Congressional Testimony in 24 Hours
An Arizona congressman wants to know why Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner isn’t facing tough questions over his apparent about-face on whether the U.S. would consider China’s request to abandon the dollar as the global currency, in favor of a mix of currencies.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.asp...
WTG Arizonia. we need to contact her and say thank you..I did
It is Congresswoman Bachmann from MN. I take that wtg Arizonia back SHe also has a bill the would ban Global currency. You can leave a comment briefingroom.thehill.com
You don't sound nuts, it is true. They want as many people as possible to depend on the Gvt. Then, they will get these people's votes. AND once they are half way plus 1, it does not matter who and how many of us go to vote. THey will keep winning–and that is the threat–it is real.
Call your senators and congress people and let them know how you feel! We have to get organized, and take ACTION! It helps to talk to each other here, but it is not enough. THEY are brainwashing our kids in schools, paying off officials to get them elected and work for them (not us), and the Gvt. is subsidizing many people, like Acorn and other "charity" organizations "for volunteers" that are offering their time (supposedly) free (although they are paid by bogus educational programs with tax payer money to fit their agenda–political, not educational). We are facing great obsticles, but we should really organize by state, participate in local tea parties and other movements–what do YOU think?
We should start a petition of some sort and everyone can add to it and we should submit it together–just an idea, I would love to hear yours.
THis is what bugs me: THe reps. really had a chance to stand out and not put any pork projects in. They did–and for that, they lost our trust. We have to find new people to put in and a way to support them to get elected. THe problem is funding, but maybe Glenn, Rush, and Hennety will help by inviting potential candidates on their program.
Among you all who have read my obscenely too large post above – I apologize for my verbosity – I'm curious to get feedback, questions or comments about the idea. Angel68, I think I heard that same thing yesterday, and just wonder if my idea would be something Glenn, and all the members would find valuable enough to integrate with the site.
I'm debating on whether it's worthy of taking the time of Beck and his staff, or if the concept is just something that would be neat but just not significant enough to be pursued. What does everybody think? Not fishing for gushing compliments or heart shattering insults, just some replies that help me see it from many perspectives.
If it sounds like there is a pretty good backing to the idea, I will immediately start developing the 912 Armory, but if not, I won't have to spend my time doing something everyone thinks is silly or unnecessary.
Also, Angel, I've always listened to Glenn's radio program only, and would love to know if that chat was after his morning broadcast, or following his evening FNC tv show. Either way, do you still have a link to where he does these chats?
I fully agree with you. At the time this "crisis" happened McCain was gaining on Ob and I believe they pushed it!
Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer. After all, you can't defeat something you know nothing about. Think about it… you would not know how to disable a bomb if you did not know how one works.
Check your state constitution you can recall your Senators and Congressman. And replace your REP with
I went to a scheduled Tea Party protest in San Diego today at the Star of India between 9-10.
Sadly, I couldn't find anyone there but me and my camera
Don't give up! This is what I mean! We have to organize locally. If we meet each other at state level and we know many of us will show up, others will join! I trully believe that Glenn can help us–maybe he will be willing to create a link for us and we can organize by state and within states and meet each other and take it from there. Maybe someone can create a brand new website that will have links by state whould help us better organize. Don't give up! Let's use out heads and put them together and we should come up with brilliant ideas!
By state we can recall the congressmen and senators, we need a link,by state, to sign recall petitions.
I have looked at the state constitutions on N.J and NEV. Both have sections on recalling elected officials.
The conditions are different in each state. The 2 I looked at says of 25% of the voters petition for recall there has to be an election within a couple of months. For you Harry Ried fans looks at Article 2 Section 9 of the state constitution. All federal officals take an oath of office to "protect and defend the Constitution of the US" Fast tracking a bill, that anyone with a brain knows is unconstitutional, is a violation of the OATH of office. Lying while under oath is grounds for recall. LET THEM KNOW WE SURROUND THEM..
I'm still stuck on the fact that Mr. Geithner is in his position. How is it that someone that "made an honest mistake" or so called honest mistake be the secretary of state and head of the IRS let alone allowed to do his own taxes this next year? The president says he has full confidence that this person is the best man for the job?
Carlo:
I have thought the same thing. BUT it should not be so mind blowing. Why? Geithner is there to follow O's aganda and he is doing it. Others would not have done so, blindly. THat's why he is there, and that's why he is doing this. That is why O. is so proud of him!
We need to all call our Senators and Congressmen/women and have this man ousted!!! He's reckless and ignorant.
I have been trying to figure out how to contact Glenn's people via this site. I know there is a 'Contact Us' type of space, but for some odd reason my email program is not meshing well with whatever interface they're using.
I may just have to pray that some of Glenn's staff stumbles upon my post and takes the time to read my meandering comment. I do welcome any suggestions on how to more successfully get my thoughts to them – if more than just a few think the concept holds any merit. If not, I'll shut up and sit back in the corner
Go to intensedebate.com for your problem
Does Intensedebate.com have some sort of direct connection to Beck's people, or are you mentioning the site because it might be a tech problem?
Geithner was fully aware of what these banks were doing. He helped to create this mess, and was rewarded with a cabinet seat. It's no coincidence that this "crisis" came to light right before the election? A crisis concerning a subject that the press highly touted as being a McCain weakness. The foundation for this was laid long ago. Obama's 'legal' work for ACORN was forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them through the courts. Here in Chicago, it's called Pay To Play. I imagine the conversation went something like this: You can falsely inflate the profits in your books and we will look the other way if you, 1) Placate the Jesse Jacksons of the world by giving loans to jobless people and 2) Heavily donate to our campaign. Do not overlook the words of Rahm 'dead fish' Emanuel, "never let a good crisis go to waste". They wanted this to happen to gain total power over everything. They fully believe the ends justify the means. They think the masses are too dumb to figure it out, and are quick to destroy (by any means possible) those who see through them. Welcome America, to the world of Chicago Politics!
Well said patriot ive always said when ive argued with a liberal that cons. can think for themselves we dont need talking points or a piece of paper telling us how to feel or what to say, the rubes are the ones that bought into the change mantra during the campaign and dont be mistaken there were voters on the right that bought in also , we have a fight ahead of us to keep the govt. out of our lives the republican party needs to get back to its core beliefs and fight for them like ronald reagan did , this administration has waged war on the constitution and capitalism which is what has made this the greatest country in the world.
Maybe we limit the action…say, write it in law giving the FDIC (independent organization), not Treasury special financial crisis powers written very specifically for the situation we're in, and making the powers very temporary (6 months). This kind of thing happened during the Great Depression setting up the HOLC program (Gov bought a bunch of home loans, and managed them till maturity, then shut down the program).
Check out Nouriel Roubini. He is an independent economist (Professor at NYU) that completely and perfectly called this crisis since I've followed him (I've been following him for about 3 years now). I wished I would have listened to him cause I would have saved alot of money in the market. http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/
I don't completely disagree with Geithner's plan. There are legitimate reasons we don't want these institutions going bankrupt, net: it will cost the taxpayer more money. Problem: We are in a situation similar to Japan in the 90s where we have institutions that are effectively insolvent (banks, Hedge funds, and maybe a broker dealer or two). These institutions will not appear to be insolvent until they sell some of these "assets" on their books. The economy will not get better until these companies are "worked out". That's where somebody will have to go in, take a deep dive into a lot of organization's books, figure out which ones are still solvent, and the ones that aren't you go in, spin them down, and sell off their assets. That will save American tax dollars in the long run. How do we do it to avoid a huge precedent in Government control?
They should have gone bankrupt, my God it would have been cheaper, messy yes, but now look at where we are at. Government has no business in the private sector. We the little taxpayer are buying their bad assets. You are missing the smoke and mirror act.
GOD HELP THE USA if Tim Geithner's request to Congress is granted. The CONSTITUTION is being trampled by so many other things, but THIS would be the start of the absolute end to our CAPITALISTIC society. Grant them this and they will take away the rights of all of us.
I have already written to my OH Senators and Representatives telling them of my feelings of just how terrible this idea is, but EVERYONE needs to do the same thing so all our Congressional people, elected by the people, actually hear us and PAY ATTENTION and do the right thing.
It seems the White House and Congress either have no idea what is written in our precious CONSTITUTION or don't give a darn about it and only care to take over the government. In either case, it is scary as hell.
Ob and the rest don't care. I have been trying to get this over to everyone for weeks. They are only interested in what they want and are trying to do it now before they lose more people in congress. Some of their blue dog dems are turning against them so they are trying to hurry and get these bills passed. They want to take control of this country! Doesn't anyone see that? OBOMA HAS ALREADY SAID THE CONSTITUTION IS OUT OF DATE! I heard him in one of the news flashes.
It's so obvious what they are doing the more they rush these bills. They don't want to "let a good crisis go to waste," as Emanuel so eloquently put it. We know it's coming but how to stop it? I think we should be rushing demands on them before they have ultimate control.
THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A DAMM,THEY THINK THEY HAVE US OUT ON LIMB AND THEY ARE SAWING OFF THE END FOR US TO GET BACK ON SAFE LEGAL GROUND,
They don't have to pay attention to a letter. RECALL will get thier attention.
Geithner Needs Adult Supervision
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner nearly struck out Wednesday morning despite multiple opportunities to defend the dollar. Geithner’s narrowly averted gaffe was sadly typical, given the greenback’s shabby treatment these days.
While addressing a jam-packed meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations, Geithner answered Standard Chartered Bank’s Doug Smith who wanted the secretary’s thoughts on “the Chinese government proposal about a global currency.” People’s Bank of China governor Zhao Xiaochuan would shift Earth’s reserve currency from the dollar to “Special Drawing Rights” (SDR), combining the dollar, Britain’s pound, Japan’s yen, and the euro. Call it the international “globo.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31233
What the other side doesn’t get. First and foremost, they do not understand true conservatives and never will. Second, they assume that we are all like them, unable to be self sufficient. Third, they don’t understand that we would not be separated but bound together by our beliefs. Fourth, they believe in their hearts that we are ignorant rubes lacking the vision that they so covet. Fifth, they really don’t think, they feel where as we think first then feel.
Does any remember when Paulson took the stage and told us how he was going to fix the economy using tons of our money? Remember how arrogant he was? How is Geitner any different? Answer is, he's not. It's not a left and right thing. It's an elitist "we're smarter than you, so shut up" thing. I'm tired of these jack*ss's who got their positions by being the most ruthless immoral dogs in the pack telling us what's best of us. I swear, I'm about ready to buy a gun and hide out in the mountains. . . . How on earth are we gonna stop this mess?
It is amazing that we have a person unable to understand what to do with money provided by the International Monetary Fund to pay his taxes now is trying to oversee and manage the entire monetary system of his country. Let us pray.
Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful.
— Samuel Johnson, English writer and lexicographer (1709-1784)
In looking for people to hire, look for three qualities: integrity, intelligence and energy. And if they don't have the first, the other two will kill you.
— Warren Buffet, American financier (b. 1930)
Bon chance America!
Along with Tiny Turbo Tim Geithner that Commie Barney Frank should be impeached, tarred and feathered and then thrown in Boston Harbor. What is with the people in Mass. look who they put in office time and time again. Term limits needed.
Walmart better watch out, the dems. hate that company, I am sure they would love to take it over.
I remember the first time we bailed Chrysler Motors out. That worked well. Years later, we are right back where we were. Where were the Congressmen, Senators and Presidents (present and past), when it was known that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were on the brink 4 or 5 years ago? Where were they when they first noticed the Postal Service was in trouble? When did they notice that Amtrack was operating in the red? To anyone who thinks larger Government works so well: why is California broke? Why is the U.S. government broke? Entitlement programs to the many non-productive residents of that state and our country caused that.
When "A" (the government) takes from "B" (the worker) and gives it to "C" (the welfare recipient),
"B" will either want to become "A" the one taking the money, or "C" , the one recieving the money.
Today, everyone on this website needs to write every represenative representing them, and the President, and let them know that these are unaccecptable policies.
Mr.Geithner is calling for more regulations on Non Banking Institutions, but didn't really mention anything concerning More Regulations on Banking institutions. Seeing that he wants tougher regulations, it should be across the board, this includes the Federal Reserve Bank (A Private Institution), who hasn't been audited since it's inception in 1913.
Congress should support H.R.1207 and pass it, and make it law. This is where we will see the real Fraud in the handling of our illegally obtained income tax.
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6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equitable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production
Listen we all sit here and complain, but we need a plan. Does anyone know a constitutional lawyer. There has got to be a way to stop this madness and abuse of power. Can't we ,as a group, petition the Supreme Court. I don't know , any ideas.
I've been thinking the same thing. With Americas's system of "checks & balances", the Supreme Court may be the only thing left between us and socialism.
I think that WE THE PEOPLE from all 50 states need to organize a group through 912. com to review and recommend changes to our Constitution, Legislative, and Executive branches of our goverment. Term limits and congressional powers to be subject to change being the most important.
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Yesterday after Glenn's show he had a live internet chat. He will be taking recommendations we make here and in 2 weeks will let us know what he thinks we should do. I am willing to wait that long.
(this is a bit long, but I sincerely hope worth the effort to read)
I've surfed around the site and read many MANY comments from people – and the predominant subject continues to be that we are venting, and debating important things,and sometimes typing to have our own words read. I agree with 'donttrod' and 'RJH' when it comes to both issues: we are just spinning our wheels with words, and we need a system of organization.
912 is the network with which we can construct such organization, but as I perused the site, I see that not everyone is on the same page. I firmly believe this is due to the fact that with this many people, there is invariably countless levels of historical knowledge or constitutional backgrounds and laws. Some know a lot about one topic or current event, others are cemented into the founding principles but don't take into account that principles are inanimate without us taking them upon our backs and getting to work.
I think the first step to taking the most efficient advantage of Mr. Beck's brilliant project, and the network he has constructed for us all, is to go beyond just agreeing on principles and values – those are the foundation. Now we need to build the house upon them. Do you hire a bunch of people with varying levels of building knowledge? I certainly hope not. Building anything that is substantial and sustainable, you hire the one company with the best knowledge and a singular focus. We need to become that company, together. We (this group of dedicated Americans) need to get on the same page.
I don't presume to know everything about anything – I am just a history teacher working in a juvie detention program – so I am no expert. I am, though, convinced that the variances of knowledge and experience need to be brought to equal levels. The best way to do this is through education. We're all adults, so we have the power to learn for ourselves, but I know that many people aren't able to run out to Borders or Barnes & Noble to buy a couple dozen books on these topics.
How do we all find the same page when we don't have the same home libraries or diplomas or access to information? The answer I see for this, is to build on this site, or on a satellite site, an Armory of Knowledge. On Glenn's show a little while ago this morning, Cong. Bachmann from MN said that the it is time for the people to arm themselves… not with weaponry, but knowledge. No army could succeed without having the same rules, the same equipment, or the same mindset and outlook. If we are to be the army that wins back our country, we need to arm ourselves with the knowledge that Mrs. Bachmann speaks of.
When I say Armory of Knowledge, I mean an online index of the actual hard information – not just reading lists. It would be a powerful, and fully stocked file cabinet of data. Instead of recommendations, it would have the hard contents of many different sources from Thomas Paine to Lincoln and on and on. All the information would be sifted through, percolated, and run through the sieve of relevance to insure that the Armory is filled with only the best weapons for the job.. If this were possible, I know we could all find that same page, then draw down our Wish-list for America to a core group of intentions that everyone would be able to nod their heads and say, "Now let's go do it!"
All – I am not trying to sell any books, but take a quick look at a Constitutional Lawyer. He would know what to do. Has Glenn had him on his show lately?
http://www.judgenap.com/
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Lawyers are not and never have been the answer. If your rep or senator helps pass this then you have the right and responsibility to get that person out of office by any and every legal means available. We the people have the power and we let those in the govt. protect us, not the other way around.
read your states constitution there are provisions to elect elected offical. It has to be on a state by state basis.
From the constitutions I have read (2) it takes 25% of the voters to petition for recall. Passing this law is a violation of thier oath office "to protect and up hold the Constitution of the US"
I'll see if I can contact the Judge and get recommendations. If he charges I'll send the bill to everyone on this blog!!
Also, there is a law firm out of Michigan that takes up for those who fall victim to the likes of the ACLU and others. I cannot think of their name but I'll figure out who they are and contact them too.
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And where did this wretched women Christina Romer come from, she smiles as she states what the new communist manifesto is.
She's the offspring of Janet Reno
Along with Geithner that Commie Barney Frank should be impeached, tarred and feathered and then thrown in Boston Harbor. What is with the people in Mass. look who they put in office time and time again. Term limits needed.
Walmart better watch out, the dems. hate that company, I am sure they would love to take it over.
Mmmmm The federal reserve was created (in 1913) so an economic collapse wouldn't happen.Yah,give the fed. more power,they have done such a good job so far.ARE YOU F****** KIDDING ME? The fed is a institution with unelected executives accountable to no one. How about this solution? ABOLISH THE FED. Back the dollar with gold.
You are mostly correct, however there is no attempt to unite workers from different nations based on economic class. Therefore, they're fascists not communists (but perhaps I'm splitting hairs).
They say a broken clock is right twice a day. We are entering a time when the conspiracy theorists my actually be right.
This is a step toward America as a fascist state. The government wants to decide which businesses as a threat and which which aren't. It doesn't take much to conclude that they will decide that any business that doesn't do what they want will be deemed a threat. Tie this to the G.I.V.E. act, which is another step toward indoctrination of the young. One more piece is the tax on charitable giving, crushing private charity, leaving people no where to turn for help but the government. I know it sounds nuts, even I don't want to believe it. But there is too much "coincidence' piling up here. Even if it isn't intended for this purpose it makes it far easier to slip into Fascism, which is reason enough to say no.
Don't freak out yet. We are indeed headed towards totalitarian rule but the good news is we're not quite there yet. We should only start freaking out if most or all of these are absolutely and not just partially true
1. Mandatory youth indoctrination begins
2. The government can take over any industry they want at will or just plain own all industry
3. The government can regulate media
4. Unions run everything the government doesn't run
5. First amendment gets horribly destroyed.
We're getting partials on most of these but not all the way. We can still stop them by making a big enough fuss and by exposing them as the fascist thieves they are.
This is directly from Marx's communist manifesto. See how many of these 10 items are happening today. You will be shocked. I'm sorry that I have to break it into two posts.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The Federal Reserve is one agency we should disban. Most people believe they are a part of the Federal Government, truth is they are as Federal as Fed Ex. They are a group of private banks. So whose interest are they looking out for, theirs or ours? I think Washington has too much power as it is, they are sending us into Socialism. Everything with Washington is now "need quick fix", "emergency-must take action NOW" they are trying to scare everyone into giving them more power because "it's for our own good". We must make our congressmen and our senators understand that we don't believe this or want it. Some of them have got to start listening eventually. (I pray)
I saw the profile of his head the other day on TV. What a small face and big dome…yep, alien!
Other than Rahm Emanuel, Geithner is one of the most dangerous men in America. How dare someone who deliberately avoided paying his taxes successfully run not only the Treasury Department…but go on to decide which businesses are in danger of failing, take them over (i.e. NATIONALIZE them!), hire and fire folks, set salaries, value and sell assets, etc.?
This is crazy talk!!
Unfortunately, that's not all he plans to do. By having venture capitalists register with the SEC so he can pull their strings too, he will also stunt the growth of new business and the expansion of small businesses.
We are kind of looking like the old Weimar Republic with almost the same problems. Then the Nazi Socialist party took over and made sweeping regulation changes- They seized wealth.
A sweeping overhaul where, "The goal is to repair a system that has proven “too unstable and fragile,” he said." from the article.
WHY DO THEY THINK IT IS TOO UNSTABLE AND FRAGILE TO BEGIN WITH? I don't know what they're smoking, but I did read that Obama wants to legalize Marijuana, could he be making this available at his parties?
REDUCE GOVERNMENT! Let the companies that are reckless fail. It is painful, yes. It sucks, yes. It is the only way we can return trust and stability to the economy and to these Divided States of America (divided between the politicians and the people).
Now,now, Obama said on his internet love fest today that he would not be in favor of legalizing marijuana in order to balance the budget. What about cocaine then?
Watch the Obama Deception video and tell all your friends about it! Find out the TRUTH about Obama, the treasury secretary and the puppet masters behind the scene that you will never see in the mainstream news.
See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
In light of the present financial crisis, it's
interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies. If the American people ever allow
private banks to control the issue of their currency, first
by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations
that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.
Our govt. doesn't give a sh** what our founding fathers said.It appears that they try to do the opposite.
And people said that Paulson was the worst Treasury Secretary we've ever had…..he looks like a genius compared to the Keebler Elf!
Honestly, I do not understand how America made it this far without the Obama administration. The Democratic controlled Congress under President Bush refused more oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac and look where their wisdom got us. Now we have Mr. Geithner, who himself doesn't completely understand our financial system (failed to pay taxes), and now he and Mr. Obama want more control over banking and bank-related companies! The Obama administration believes it is necessary to remake our capitalistic and Constitutional government by having more control. These tactics put me in mind of the charismatic and controlling tactics of the Hitler "administration". I am fearful and angered by the silence of the Republicans. Where are they? Where are the law suits defending our Constitution?
Don't forget the Voulenteer Service act Obama is trying to force us into. Reminds me of Adolf Hitler. Lets put all these kids into a cute little uniform and teach them to Goose-step. Then when our army is getting weak we can put them on the front lines fighting. Ask the Vet's how many enemy soldiers were mere children.
Geithner has got to go. This guy is a dangerous fool. Left unchallenged he will destroy what has taken 250 years to build.
WE HAVE THE LAWS TO REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE,JUST NEED A LOT OF SOME ONE TO INFORCE THEM,
As a friend of mine on another blog said last night – They don't WANT bankruptcy. Bankruptcy, through the courts, makes the records of that company PUBLIC. The companies they want NOW (banks, etc., have a lot of papers and info they the Statists don't want out there, least they themselves become the targets of the "Angry Mobs"
But while we are looking at banks and other quasi-financial institutions, don't forget about Health Care Companies, Defense Companies, Utilities, etc.
Thanks for being here all. I am off to bed. I work long hours – FOR MYSELF! I refuse to participate in this Depression. We are Americans, and as Individuals, we create our own destiny.
That's what this is about.
Even if the rule changes were good(and they are not) you still cannot change the rules of the game once the game is under way. If he were a good treasury secretary (and he is not) he would study the causes of the great depression and the things that made it worse.
FDR would "try something." Business would start to respond but not fast enough for FDR so he would "try something else." Very soon the few folks who still had money put in under a mattress, because they knew that as soon as the money started turning a profit the rules would change and they would lose their investments.
the treasury secretary needs to read the chapter on banking in the 5000 year leep and how the founding father had a plan to make us the richest nation in the world with no debt and how Lincoln was going to do this after the civil war and the other countries went crazy pgs 188-191
the fools in Washington don't read their own bills, so reading a book might be a little too intense for any of them
the treasury secretary needs to read the chapter on banking in the 5000 year leep and how the founding father had a plan to make us the richest nation in the world with no debt and how Lincoln was going to do this after the civil war and the other ****ries went crazy pgs 188-191
I said this in an earlier post but Geithner is in water way over his head, can’t swim a stroke and thinks he’s the lifeguard. Maybe he should get some qualified help. That could be a start. Or, maybe he should step down and then we’ll have no one as which would enable the recovery with no tampering. If this was a conspiracy it can only be to make a movie in likes of the Keystone Cops.
They cannot handle what they already have. NO MORE POWER in fact do nothing and things will get better.
Before that if we look at his taxpayer history….
Good gosh – Geither can't even follow the rules where you have to pay your taxes each year.
Whatever they do from now to the 2010 elections will have to be undone by the 112th Congress. All the 112th will be able to get done is unraveling the mess created now.
I don't think there is any mystery as to why there is no hurry to fill the positions under Geithner. If there were people under him, someone might have a differing view or downright oppose his view. Can't have that. Additionally, when planning unconstitutional agendas, you have to come up with ideas on how to window-dress these issues to make them palatable. The less voices of concern, the better.
God help us.
This is Eminent Domain for business, the Democratic Left wishing to Change our Country to the Union of Socialistic States. Fear not America this is “change” never mind the fact that we can take your property and soon your business, fear not we have the word of the Secretary of the Treasury. Remember he is the guy that forgot to pay his Taxes . Is this the guy you want making a determination on seizing a private company, he didn’t pay his own taxes.
Let's assume the Democrats are able to give Geithner the power he wants…do they realize that when the next Republican gets into office & appoints their Treasury Secretary that he'll have that same power?! Or will they enact a law that says this new power is only good for this current administration? I'd guess most of them would cringe at the thought of giving this power to Bush's administration!
They say this is for the good of the economy. Look at what they are not saying. If given the power to take over any business they can and ultimately will use this power to support political agendas they cant get through the legislative process just like they use activist judges in federal courts. Can’t stop the evil coal industry? Just call it failing and take it over. Same for the firearms industry and anything else that isn’t considered politically favorable to the elite. Say it is a risk to the economy take it over and “wind it down” . If this run away march to insanity isnt stopped fast this great nation is done.
This guy is trying to kill our country. I think they will all (including BO) sit back and let him do it.
P.U. SOMETHING STINKS IN THIS COUNTRY.OH THAT IS JUST B.O.
Bing, do you really believe that Geithner is doing this on his own? Who appointed him? Look at Obama, this is his path, Geithner is his man.
No! I really think we need to look behind the curtain. All of his cabinet picks are tied to the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Comaission and the Council on Foreign Relations. This all about money, and BO is their puppet.
"The administration, pushing for quick action on its reform agenda"
what else is new, this must be a matter of American Global Crises, they should make it 1,200 pages….
"New Rules of the Game." = drastic Constitutional ammendments.
yea, they don't want the banks now, but give the Dow another good day and Geithner will be in fron of Congress the next day asking for the banks….
I can't believe Geithner's still in! He needs to be thrown out!
Rep. Manzullo to Geithner: Your Plan Is 'Radical'
In testimony before the House Financial Services committee that just adjourned, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner just had to defend his institutional takeover plan against charges of radicalism.
"Do you realize how radical your proposal is?" Rep. Donald Manzullo (R-Ill.) asked.
"It's not radical. . ." Geither began, before Manzullo interrupted him.
"You're talking about seizing private businesses and you don't consider that radical?" Manzullo replied, his voice rising.
Manzullo is trying to get Geithner to give details of the plan — that's where Geithner got stung before — but Geithner doesn't have them yet.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-watch/20...
Did you notice how Geithner said we have to act NOW. Isn't that what they said in the stimulus bill where no one read it? Write your congress, tell them no more power for Geithner. http://freemanredneck.blogtownhall.com/
if they must change the constitution, at least change it so I can vote for Daniel Hannan MEP
Why wait? Can anyone inform me how to start a recall of a congressman?
Tim Geithner is a common criminal. It was indeed a sad day when he was confirmed as treasury secretary. Now the man is trying to grab more power than any politician ever has. For one individual to have the authority to say that a business in the private sector is good or bad, determining how much money people are allowed to make is not how this country was founded. This is just another step on the road to this becoming a socialistic society. The government has absolutely no business trying to run the private sector.
Just look at how well the government runs business. The US Postal Service, AMTRAK, Freddie, Fanny and now AIG. They have a pretty good record at keeping failed business going, but still failures.
right said
Is the government suggesting in exchange for ensuring that no business fails, and that they will step in and manage it as they see fit? Failures are a natural occurance in business. Bankruptcy laws are in place to 'manage' the situation. Giving (who's giving – they're grabbing) the government new sweeping powers is a giant mistake. Monitoring and enforcement of existing rules is necessary BEFORE new laws are established.
If your congressman or woman votes for this, vote them out of office! This expansion of power attempt by Obama's cabinet must stop NOW. Once again, it is and i quote "we must hurry up an do it now" (Geightner). I find it incredulous that ANYONE in congress who has even a high school knowledge of the constitution would not laugh this guy out of congress.
Yikes, why do we think that the geniuses in Washington are competent to manage this "overhaul"? They couldn't even enforce the existing regulations.
he said the the banks failled in the basic fundamentals didn't the congress fail in the basic fundamentals of the constitution .
Does Geithner look like an alien or is it just me?
No, you're right he looks like an alien. I wonder if he is getting ready to show us his antennas on his head, and thats why the media and the UK have been talking UFO's so much. God made them too!
I think he looks more like the Keebler elf. Anyone?
Of course you want to impose more rules on a game you aren't winning.
One of the biggest problems is to them that it is a "GAME". Their huge experiment in forced socialism with communistic undertones.
LORD HELP US IF THEY GIVE THIS IDIOT ANY MORE DUTIES SINCE HE CAN'T EVEN HANDLE WHAT HE HAS NOW!! CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND TELL THEM HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New rules? Are you joking??
You haven't played by the rules, Geithner, since your job at the Fed!
bikerchic, Really have anyof them been playing by the rules? supreme court is know legislating from the bench, presidents using powers not granted them, congress ramming legislation through with out reading it. I think the rule book was thrown out long before now. We have created so many laws that we have no law. This is the problem with sending lawyers to congress. They know the legal B.S. on how to twist, spin, wrestle, wrangle and bulldog wording to their advantage. Maybe it's time we start electing people without law degrees, who can't pin the down the word IS for the 10 count, They spend all their time using the law degree handed them and not serving the people. WE have given to much power away already, Geithner just wants to be the first Politburo boss in the US.
Ya know what else? That indignant scowl on his face is more than I could stand. I have NEVER seen a professional act as indignant as he does. He is losing control and his face is telling on him.
Nah, he's a elf from The Hobbit and following Trilogy.
What we need is a billionaire like Soros to form a moveon.org like organization and to pay for it. How about stayput.org or ilovetheconstitution.org? Obviously, I am being facetious. It starts with grassroots such as this site and it will build. George, it will build. It is in its infancy.
I know it's just a beginning, and I don't house any illusions that my idea would catapult the movement into international consciousness. I just think it would be a very effective tool for those of us here to find a level and common ground to start from because if you read as many of these messages as you can on here, you will start to see that even though the vast majority of members agree more or less on the principles and values.
Beyond that, there are so many drastic differences of viewpoint due to wide discrepancies in education in general, as well as on specific topics involved in our mission. I just posed the concept to spark some consideration about how to further homogenize our intentions with the Project. Does that make any sense?
SO IS THE FACE OF OBAMA,,REMEMBER HOW ALIVE HE LOOKED AT START OF TRIP TO BE PRESIDENT,NOW LOOKS TWENTY YEARS OLDER, SECURITY BRIEFS AND GOOD PEOPLE CATCHING ON TO HIS LIES,HE IS A THIEF AND LIAR,
I hate to say this but my senator, Senator Enzi chummed up with Senator Kennedy to pass the Service Act. Please write, email, fax and call..let him know how unhappy you are..I did!!!!!!
Look….I think most of us would agree that our current system is broken. The question is, why? I think it is broken because of the pervasiveness and power of the two party system. At its conception the founders envisioned a system where the elected officials were held accountable by their constituency. Nowadays that is no longer the case. Now, representatives are ultimately held accountable by their party. We can write letters to our representatives until we get carpel tunnel syndrome but it is essentially meaningless because it is the party that gets someone elected. Without the backing and financial support of a party you will fail. The numbers bare this out. What percentage of independents actually get elected? So while a representative might read your letter and even agree with you, his/her party is ultimately going to decide how they vote. They all know that if they go against their party too often they will soon be watching from the sidelines and how can they do anything for anybody if they aren't in office. Hence, 'the ends justify the means'. So the question now becomes how do we get the elected officials to listen to the people. I personally think that a watchdog group on a massive scale would be a good way to start. With a website like 912 and a national voice like Mr. Beck we can start calling elected officials out by name. We can let them know that regardless of party affiliation, if they act against the constitution that we will use every means necessary to keep them from getting reelected. Use the website to post information, reading lists, voting records, local perspectives on isssues, and recruit other voters to the cause. As it grows the voice becomes louder and if it gets loud enough we might actually make it back to what the founders intended it to be. Elected officials that have to act in the peoples best interest or face the consequences. Regardless, we have to stop thinking in terms of Democrat and Rebublican. That only serves to exacerbate the problem. Let's start a new party based on the PRINCIPLES of the constitution. The Constitutional Party! Sorry for being long winded. It's my first post and apparently I had a lot to say. Hope some of it made sense
It's broken because we as a nation were not vigilant and we did not do our individual parts in guarding liberty. Sloth got us all. I learned in AA that in order to understand, face and conquer a problem, you have to own it. Own it 100% with no excuses. Only then can we make different decisions to change our lives. Until every person here takes responsibility for the problems, we are going to get nowhere. Yes, every person here is no doubt a good person but sometimes, by doing nothing, we are committing a sin. That we have done nothing is what got us here. Let's own it and move forward with vigilance from this point forward. Vigilance and newfound passion for what we must do!
It's broken because we as a nation were not vigilant and we did not do our individual parts in guarding liberty. Sloth got us all. I learned in AA that in order to understand, face and conquer a problem, you have to own it. Own it 100% with no excuses. Only then can we make different decisions to change our lives. Until every person here takes responsibility for the problems, we are going to get nowhere. Yes, every person here is no doubt a good person but sometimes, by doing nothing, we are committing a sin. That we have done nothing is what got us here. Let's own it and move forward with vigilance from this point forward. We will prevail if we are vigilant and passionate. Let's turn this mess around and make our forfathers proud!
i am one person that never worried about our goverment, our elected offical were there to served THE PROPLE. but the more news i hear the more i agree with what mr.beck is trying to tell us. you are right , we have to own it to fix it. i don't have the knowleage of our constituition,to even try to suggest what we need to do,but banding together and start the letter writing,the 912 project seems to be good start.